sdai Posted June 18, 2008 Share #21 Posted June 18, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) I can't find a plan where it shows how large the stand is. Can you link to one please? All I can find is that they will be in Hall 1 Here you go, sir. They're in Hall 2 on the first floor ... Hall 1 is a gallery. http://photokina.en.koelnmesse.info/global/dokumente/photokina_cologne/Current_planning_stage.pdf Mark has gone to the last show so he can tell if Leica's booth size has been tripled how big it would be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jamie Roberts Posted June 18, 2008 Share #22 Posted June 18, 2008 Hello!I wonder what you all are waiting for. Here in Germany it is quite clear that neither a R10 or a M9 will be shown at the photokina 2008. The SKL-factor prohibits it. {snipped}. Sorry--for those of us NOT in Germany--what would the "SKL factor" be that would prohibit showing an R10 this fall? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 18, 2008 Share #23 Posted June 18, 2008 Steven K Lee? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted June 18, 2008 Share #24 Posted June 18, 2008 SKL may be Süddeutsche Klassen Lotterie ? (one of the state licenced lotteries, here the southern German states of Bavaria, Baden and Württemberg, Hessen )) or VEB Schwermaschinenbau Karl Liebknecht Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 18, 2008 Share #25 Posted June 18, 2008 Steven K Lee? That's more questions than answers, Lee seems to be an enthusiast and diehard R fanatic himself, what would he do to cause damage to the R project? were the staff he fired happened to be on the R front? or has he put the project into a wrong direction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 18, 2008 Share #26 Posted June 18, 2008 We were told on Friday that Leica made no progress on anything while he was in charge. I'd say it was a directional thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 18, 2008 Share #27 Posted June 18, 2008 Advertisement (gone after registration) I've long suspected that his early termination was the result of the clash between his big corporation vision and Leica's family business culture. If I had enough change to facilitate a buyout, I would treat everyone as brothers and sisters, each employee will be presented the gift of one share. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted June 18, 2008 Share #28 Posted June 18, 2008 We were told on Friday that Leica made no progress on anything while he was in charge. I'd say it was a directional thing. That's conveniently overlooking his two great achievements, both well received on these Boards: Summarit lens range M8 Upgrade programme and long-term commitment to look after M8 customers Understand, only from what I've read, both were conceived and delivered by Mr Lee. Rolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veraikon Posted June 18, 2008 Share #29 Posted June 18, 2008 Mark, you can check the floor plan of the Kina, Leica only booked a small area when compared to other heavyweight players. LEICA CAMERA AGGermany 02.1 C040 / D049 C050 / D041 C050 / D041 C038 / D039 "Weitblick" Bühne / Unit 5 compare to e.g. Nikon Nikon CorporationJapan02.2 A010 / C019 A001 / C001 A011 / A017 "Weitblick" stage / Unit 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robsteve Posted June 18, 2008 Share #30 Posted June 18, 2008 Leica's entry into the cinematography market? Lots of bucks, lots of margin. They did say they were forking on about a zillion new lenses, they can't all be for the M and R can they? I was watching a Canadian Business show a few weeks back and it was mentioned that Dalsa (a Canadian company) was looking for a strategic partner in its imaging division. Dalsa makes a lot of the sensors for medium format cameras, but it was not their silicon fabrication, but the imaging division that was mentioned. This imaging division includes a few specialized devices that use the Dalsa sensors, plus a line of high end cameras for cinematography. Steve may not be far off with his guess. Leica partners with the Dalsa imaging division and gets into cinematography. Welcome to DALSA - Digital Cinema News Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlancasterd Posted June 18, 2008 Share #31 Posted June 18, 2008 Leica and Imacon did an incredible job, especially when you consider that you can bolt one onto the back of a 1996 body... Which is exactly what I did... I have an R8 body bought in early 1997 and used for film work until 2006. And it worked perfectly with the DMR once the contacts had been upgraded. I've actually gone back to using the DMR for day-to-day record work around the Welsh Highland Railway project in recent weeks as I like the convenience of using zoom lenses. In my experience of using the back I can confirm that image quality with firmware version 1.3 is excellent up to ISO 800. The only major disadvantage vis-a-vis the M8 is the greater weight of the DMR outfit (I normally use my R8/DMR with a 28-90 zoom, whereas my M8 is normally fitted with a CV 28mm f3.5). The R8+DMR is also slightly limited in ultra-wide angle capability (I have CV 12mm and 15mm lenses for the M8 but my widest R lens is 21mm - the R-15mm being well beyond my financial reach). One other thing that I have noticed is that the colour in DMR shots tends to be about 500 degrees warmer than M8 shots, but that is easily corrected in Lightroom. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted June 18, 2008 Share #32 Posted June 18, 2008 That's conveniently overlooking his two great achievements, both well received on these Boards: Summarit lens range M8 Upgrade programme and long-term commitment to look after M8 customers Understand, only from what I've read, both were conceived and delivered by Mr Lee. Rolo The Summarits are selling very badly, by all accounts, Rolo, and the upgrade programme was a PR and marketing disaster. How many people here use a Summarit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted June 18, 2008 Share #33 Posted June 18, 2008 This imaging division includes a few specialized devices that use the Dalsa sensors, plus a line of high end cameras for cinematography. Steve may not be far off with his guess. Leica partners with the Dalsa imaging division and gets into cinematography. Leica Cinema GmbH, Zürich - easyMonitoring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 18, 2008 Share #34 Posted June 18, 2008 DALSA had a very strong Q1/08 performance which beats all analysts' expectation. What's important is, their 4K HD cinema is ONLY 4k HD camera in actual production operation, the new James Bond movie "Quantum of Solace" was shot with DALSA's 4K Origin camera, while RED's fancy 4k camera still remains on paper. I would be VERY surprised that they'll put the cinema division on sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted June 18, 2008 Share #35 Posted June 18, 2008 The Summarits are selling very badly, by all accounts, Rolo, and the upgrade programme was a PR and marketing disaster. How many people here use a Summarit? Actually, the BEST thing Lee has done was the 30% discount ... who is not happy with that? dealers and those who missed the train like me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saloti Posted June 18, 2008 Share #36 Posted June 18, 2008 We were told on Friday that Leica made no progress on anything while he was in charge. I'd say it was a directional thing. Yes, it was. The German management magazine "Manager Magazin" recently published an article quoting Leica employees : Apparently Lee´s management style was worse than a catastrophy, leading to a point where most of the managers/ key employees critical to Leica´s success decided to leave the company. Furthermore he went into confrontation with Leica dealers and Panansonic. Full program................. Kaufmann had no choice, he had to fire the guy he hired Definitely Leica will not be an excellent reference for Lee. After this Manager Magazin report I would not expect this guy to find a major management position in Germany/Austria/Switzerland in the next 10 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolo Posted June 18, 2008 Share #37 Posted June 18, 2008 The Summarits are selling very badly, by all accounts, Rolo, and the upgrade programme was a PR and marketing disaster. How many people here use a Summarit? It was tongue in cheek, but there's no denying they were well received here. As for the Upgrade programme ...... let's see if there's an 'early adopters' demand for that when Photokina comes. Summarits are a strange product. I tried the 75mm last week - not for me ever ! However, if one was trying to reposition Leica and the M8 into the photo wannabe market, or into a Nikon RF market, then maybe a Leica lens range at less than half price of the Classic range is OK. Without Mr Lee motivating the old guard, his concepts would never work, so it's no surprise that Summarits are bundled as a kit lens with the M8 now. How do you turnaround a company that's recently been to the brink of disaster if you don't change anything ? There has to be a paradigm shift. Mr Lee tried, but got it wrong and paid the price; will the next guy and the one after that ? Through the boarded-up factory windows I read the sign, "We are Satisfied with Our Product". Rolo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfgang Esslinger Posted June 18, 2008 Share #38 Posted June 18, 2008 The Summarits are selling very badly, by all accounts, Rolo, and the upgrade programme was a PR and marketing disaster. How many people here use a Summarit? At the forum meeting I understood that expectations for Summarits were "visionary" but actual sales are satisfactory - whatever this means. Oh, I use the 75mm Summarit and find it quite ok on the M7. It helped to enter the M-world at an financially acceptable level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantice Posted June 18, 2008 Share #39 Posted June 18, 2008 Back to the topic: I think you should prioritize your needs, listed in the order that's important to you, and compare existing products (not limit to Leica) side by side in terms of the functions you want. Stay with the big companies (Nikon, Canon, Leica....etc) Personally, I will not recommand you to wait. The future is uncertain and you may/may-not waste your valuable time for gears that is meant to be a "tool" to support your vision. My 2-cents is get what you need and use it, don't put too many emotion to it. I'm a R user btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostontom Posted June 18, 2008 Share #40 Posted June 18, 2008 This is from a complete Leica newbie, using an entirely different system (a digilux two, which I've had for about 3 weeks and is giving me great pleasure), but if it is macro + digital that's called for, would investing in the Leica glass of choice and a Canon digital body with the appropriate adaptor? And/or an Olympus 4/3 body and what looks like (Lympa_2006_04_03) a bit of an elaborate setup with a Leica macro lens? These would seem to me much cheaper than an R, from reputable companies with good electronics. Would this kind of approach tide you over until Leica decides what it wants to do with the next generations of this and that? Just a thought -- the complete ignorance with which I offer it tells you how seriously to take the suggestion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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