Guest stnami Posted September 19, 2006 Share #21 Posted September 19, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Forget about albert as the thread is not about him it's about a camera and a reviewer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 19, 2006 Posted September 19, 2006 Hi Guest stnami, Take a look here Sean Reid's positive/ constructive review. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest stnami Posted September 19, 2006 Share #22 Posted September 19, 2006 Sean other than being a rangefinder( no disrespect to Epson) what is there that Leica brings to digital thatis new anddifferent or that others have overlooked? Then again it is free for anyone to answer as well it's ok Gareth^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth_c Posted September 19, 2006 Share #23 Posted September 19, 2006 Apologies, I din't mean to sidetrack the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 19, 2006 Share #24 Posted September 19, 2006 Stop to consider, would Leica risk it's future on a camera with shutter lag problems and poor file quality? Obviously, they would not. I agree. I expect better image quality than the DMR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 19, 2006 Share #25 Posted September 19, 2006 Sean other than being a rangefinder( no disrespect to Epson) what is there that Leica brings to digital thatis new anddifferent or that others have overlooked? Then again it is free for anyone to answer as well it's ok Gareth^ Hi Imants, That's a really interesting question. One of the most important things it brings relates to it's file quality which I, unfortunately, can't discuss in any detail yet. While being about the same size as previous Ms, I think that it brings us the digital version of the "Texas Leica" and I'll be talking about that a lot more in the next article. For those who don't know the term, "Texas Leica" is the slang name for Fuji's medium format rangefinder cameras. I worked with several of them in the 1980s. The most important thing it brings, though this is now well-known, is the continuation of the M7 into the world of digital capture. Photographers who are eager to try the M8 should certainly play with an M7 somewhere if they've never done that. Of course there are differences but the camera most like the M8 (in use) is the M7. Among digital cameras that actually have a shutter sound, it's one of the quietest. The other is the Oly E-1. The built quality is higher than most digital cameras and there's not a lot of plastic used. You've already seen the comparisons to the R-D1 in my review. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell Posted September 19, 2006 Share #26 Posted September 19, 2006 Texas Leica! That's exciting! Read Sean's reveiw. His only critisms: poor Exp. Comp. and ISO ergonomics. Lack of weather seals. While these are real shortcomings, the imperfect M8 sounds like, for many of us, it will be the best camera ever made (if it is as reliable as we would expect from Leica.) With OUTSTANDING image qualtiy. If as good as the DMR it will be very, very good. It's reasonable to think it will be better. Best, Mitchell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 19, 2006 Share #27 Posted September 19, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Texas Leica! That's exciting! Read Sean's reveiw. His only critisms: poor Exp. Comp. and ISO ergonomics. Lack of weather seals. While these are real shortcomings, the imperfect M8 sounds like, for many of us, it will be the best camera ever made (if it is as reliable as we would expect from Leica.) With OUTSTANDING image qualtiy. If as good as the DMR it will be very, very good. It's reasonable to think it will be better. Best, Mitchell Hi Mitch, Yes, the digital Texas Leica idea is exciting. I was working on pictures this past weekend where the M8 really would have been the perfect camera for me. You gave a good summary of the weaknesses as I see them: digital controls design and lack of weather sealing (although we'll see how the M8 does in snow and rain). The other weakness, which follows, can be easily remedied. The body design puts the control wheel in a bad position for someone like myself (my palm ends up on it). With the grip mounted, however, the body fit me very well. BTW, I've just been looking through some M8 files made with the 28/2.8 - it's really an outstanding little lens. I want one. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 19, 2006 Share #28 Posted September 19, 2006 And, Mitch, do the Texas Leicas go to ISO 2500? No, they do not! <G> Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 19, 2006 Share #29 Posted September 19, 2006 I don't own a 5D but have used one extensively and think its an incredible camera for the price. It is the only DSLR that has made me consider going that route. I can't afford to get an M8 and a D5 so, for now, I will make do with my R-D1 until my saving allows an M8! Yoowzers, the 5D is almost as pricey as the M8... thank goodness I didn't fall for the myth! :eek: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 19, 2006 Share #30 Posted September 19, 2006 And, Mitch, do the Texas Leicas go to ISO 2500? No, they do not! <G> Cheers, Sean Well if you use pushed Tmax 3200, yes you can use that in the fabulous Texas Leica (I have one!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted September 19, 2006 Share #31 Posted September 19, 2006 BTW, I've just been looking through some M8 files made with the 28/2.8 - it's really an outstanding little lens. I want one. I am very interested in that lens. I would like to read a review of it as soon as possible, on film or digital sensor (R-D1, M8). How is the fingerprint of that lens? R. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 19, 2006 Share #32 Posted September 19, 2006 Yoowzers, the 5D is almost as pricey as the M8... thank goodness I didn't fall for the myth! :eek: Albert, Please do me a favor and don't bring the Canon bashing into this thread. *Please* We're talking about the M8 here and I emphatically do not want to get into the Canon debate that you feel so passionately about. OK? Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimF Posted September 19, 2006 Share #33 Posted September 19, 2006 Originally Posted by sean_reid And, Mitch, do the Texas Leicas go to ISO 2500? No, they do not! <G> Cheers, Sean Well if you use pushed Tmax 3200, yes you can use that in the fabulous Texas Leica (I have one!) "pushed"? Isn't 3200 faster than 2500 in SLC then? :D I was going to say the same thing anyway, except with Delta 3200. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 19, 2006 Share #34 Posted September 19, 2006 Well if you use pushed Tmax 3200, yes you can use that in the fabulous Texas Leica (I have one!) Cool, which one do you have? I must confess that I didn't know that they started making TMZ in 120/220 format. I haven't used one of the big Fujis since 1988. I checked B&H and didn't see it. Where do you find TMZ in that size? The fastest MF film I've seen is the Iflord Delta 3200 B&W film which has a native ISO 1250. I imagine it could be pushed easily to 2500 since Ilford touts it as an ISO 3200-capable film. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 19, 2006 Share #35 Posted September 19, 2006 Seems to me the M8 is almost exactly the same size as a Digilux 2, a little wider and looking at both that and the R-D1, there's noticeably more space to the right of the screen for the ball of your thumb. The D2 has the screen offset as far left as it will go, the R-D1 has the "rewind knob" instead of the thumb wheel and a smaller screen, both making space. Does sound like the grip is going to be pretty much essential which makes me wonder how usable the half case is as an alternative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 19, 2006 Share #36 Posted September 19, 2006 Yoowzers, the 5D is almost as pricey as the M8... thank goodness I didn't fall for the myth! :eek: Try to get your facts right Alfie, so often you state as fact what you would like to be the truth rather than the reality itself. In the UK the 5D is about £1900, the M8 £2900. That's a £1000 difference. I wouldn't describe that as 'almost as pricey' myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 19, 2006 Share #37 Posted September 19, 2006 Sorry, I meant P/V ratio. Correction there. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 19, 2006 Share #38 Posted September 19, 2006 Mark I am not a case person per say for camera's but that half case does look pretty darn functional. let's go out on a limb here and just assume this sucker is going to be hard to hold, we lost the crank and for nothing else was a good hold on. i love hand straps like on the DMr but since there is not one unless custom made than let's explore the alternates the grip with bottom plate looks like the first thing i would get , but it is good for your fingers and not your thumb , ( have to imagine holding this) which is on the back but no real support. now the half case you get grips in front and in back for your thumb. maybe better overall, but than you just added bulk. personally i would tend to lean to the grip , just because it really has not changed the camera overall size. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell Posted September 19, 2006 Share #39 Posted September 19, 2006 At this point, for me, most of the questions that can be answered prior to release have been answered. It's hard for me to see why I wouldn't want and love this camera. Now I must buckle down to the hard work of....waiting. (Yuck) Best, Mitchell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchell Posted September 19, 2006 Share #40 Posted September 19, 2006 Guy, There is/was a finger sling made for M's. I think it's Swiss. It looked very handy to me, but I never saw one in person. Maybe someone else knows what I'm talking about. !:^) Mitchell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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