Guest stnami Posted September 18, 2006 Share #1 Posted September 18, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Is it not better to discuss the M8 as a positive, Sean did , lets bring the good to the forefront and forget about Puts, puts and puts and company Welcome to ReidReviews Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 18, 2006 Posted September 18, 2006 Hi Guest stnami, Take a look here Sean Reid's positive/ constructive review. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
gareth_c Posted September 18, 2006 Share #2 Posted September 18, 2006 As I have posted elwewhere I'm no Puts fan and am a big advocate of Sean's easy to read and well thought out, constructive reviews. But, I find it slightly odd that people are so willing to ignore other opinions simply because they don't havea 'leica glow''. No offence intended Imants! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 18, 2006 Share #3 Posted September 18, 2006 No offense taken but there is a heck of a lot devoted to his somewhat badly worded review, then again war is a big read for most as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth_c Posted September 18, 2006 Share #4 Posted September 18, 2006 Agreed Imants. The problem is that that many view Leica users as people who live in a bubble perpetuated by people such as Puts. I have to say that many posts on this forum regularly taking swipes at Canon and others doesn't really help. I am a fan of the M8 concept and would happily buy one over the only DSLR that I have really considered (the Canon D5) but I don't for a minute believe that the M8 (or Leica generallY) is perfect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 18, 2006 Share #5 Posted September 18, 2006 What liked about the article was Sean's statement that with a DSLR the photographer sees certain distances (objects) out of focus and has to figure out how they look in focus, whereas the bloke with the rangefinder sees everything in focus and has to imagine how some of the objects look out of focus. So a comparison with the cannon is not warranted and visa versa, two cameras on their own journey note below Gareth not aimed at you rather lets all treat both for their own merits and uses Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth_c Posted September 18, 2006 Share #6 Posted September 18, 2006 I wasn't trying to compare them. I was just trying to point out that Canon regularly get dismissed or lambasted on these forums rather harshly (in my opinion) regardless of the fact that I would rather a leica than a canon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 18, 2006 Share #7 Posted September 18, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) What liked about the article was Sean's statement that with a DSLR the photographer sees certain distances (objects) out of focus and has to figure out how they look in focus, whereas the bloke with the rangefinder sees everything in focus and has to imagine how some of the objects look out of focus. And this one of the reasons I prefer rangefinders, film or digital, together with the fact that you can see around the edges of the frame with most lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 18, 2006 Share #8 Posted September 18, 2006 I wasn't trying to compare them. I was just trying to point out that Canon regularly get dismissed or lambasted on these forums rather harshly (in my opinion) regardless of the fact that I would rather a leica than a canon. Gareth, the rubbishing of the Canon tends to come from one quarter. Yes I have one, so I could be accused of being biased, but I just don't see the flaws that are constantly repeated. And yes, I'd prefer an M8, but the 5D is just fine until I get one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth_c Posted September 18, 2006 Share #9 Posted September 18, 2006 I don't own a 5D but have used one extensively and think its an incredible camera for the price. It is the only DSLR that has made me consider going that route. I can't afford to get an M8 and a D5 so, for now, I will make do with my R-D1 until my saving allows an M8! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 18, 2006 Share #10 Posted September 18, 2006 As always, I tried to be very objective in my review of the M8. The camera's weaknesses relate to the digital controls design and (potentially) the lack of weather sealing. Otherwise..however, it is a wonderful camera and that would be true no matter what company made it. I own and have owned cameras and lenses from all kinds of companies. In any case, I'm happy to discuss aspects of that review if desired. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 18, 2006 Share #11 Posted September 18, 2006 Sean, I hope you've managed to be in touch with Stefan Daniels or whoever your contact is with your ideas for improving the digital controls, much easier to do while the "hood" is still up... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 18, 2006 Share #12 Posted September 18, 2006 Sean, I hope you've managed to be in touch with Stefan Daniels or whoever your contact is with your ideas for improving the digital controls, much easier to do while the "hood" is still up... I contacted them with ideas. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 18, 2006 Share #13 Posted September 18, 2006 Excellent... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 18, 2006 Share #14 Posted September 18, 2006 who live in a bubble perpetuated by people such as Puts. I have to say that many posts on this forum regularly taking swipes at Canon and others doesn't really help. That's very incorrect. There's a reason why I paid more for my Leica gear than the white Cannon blowguns. I didn't ask to shoot bamboo, eh? And it does help in fact to take swipes... it prevents foolishness by wasting money on the white/red-ring gar-barrage that exists to undermine the nature of photography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 19, 2006 Share #15 Posted September 19, 2006 Does anybody know who the author/reviewer is? Sean, I've gone through your review. Would you shed us some light on his crude comments regarding color and ISO (>400) ? Another question is how is the shutter response/lag compared to an M7, frankly, Puts' comment on shutter behaviour also troubles me? As I'm expecting my new M8 with me on my year-end tour... Thanks. Best Matthew Hi Matthew, I'm afraid that I can not talk about image quality specifics but would certainly recommend that people not draw any conclusions about the file quality of the M8 until they see bonafide reviews, etc. Most of what's floating around now is rumor and nonsense (as was true with the DMR just before it was released). The people who actually know something about the M8's file quality have agreed not to discuss it until they (we) have been able to test production examples. It's troubling that people are still taking Erwin's comments seriously. There is no appreciable shutter lag with the M8 at all, as I wrote in my review. I'd prefer to take questions on another thread (the one Imants started). The Puts threads should die out. Stop to consider, would Leica risk it's future on a camera with shutter lag problems and poor file quality? Obviously, they would not. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP3 Posted September 19, 2006 Share #16 Posted September 19, 2006 Dear Sean That's already good enough for me. Looking forward to your Part 2 review. Best Matthew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skimmel Posted September 19, 2006 Share #17 Posted September 19, 2006 Hi Matthew, I'm afraid that I can not talk about image quality specifics but would certainly recommend that people not draw any conclusions about the file quality of the M8 until they see bonafide reviews, etc. Most of what's floating around now is rumor and nonsense (as was true with the DMR just before it was released). The people who actually know something about the M8's file quality have agreed not to discuss it until they (we) have been able to test production examples. It's troubling that people are still taking Erwin's comments seriously. There is no appreciable shutter lag with the M8 at all, as I wrote in my review. I'd prefer to take questions on another thread (the one Imants started). The Puts threads should die out. Stop to consider, would Leica risk it's future on a camera with shutter lag problems and poor file quality? Obviously, they would not. Cheers, Sean Well said Sean! Any idea when the firmware will be finalized and image quality can be discussed? For me, that's the key element -- I can adjust to the design of the buttons, but for me it's the rangefinder benefits (which are there) and, ultimately, the image quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 19, 2006 Share #18 Posted September 19, 2006 Well said Sean! Any idea when the firmware will be finalized and image quality can be discussed? For me, that's the key element -- I can adjust to the design of the buttons, but for me it's the rangefinder benefits (which are there) and, ultimately, the image quality. Yes, I'm supposed to have a production level camera to test after Photokina is done. Publishing on the file quality of that will be no problem. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddawn Posted September 19, 2006 Share #19 Posted September 19, 2006 That's very incorrect. There's a reason why I paid more for my Leica gear than the white Cannon blowguns. I didn't ask to shoot bamboo, eh? And it does help in fact to take swipes... it prevents foolishness by wasting money on the white/red-ring gar-barrage that exists to undermine the nature of photography. I would say it's your constant spread of misinformation that is undermining the nature of photography and the integrity of these forums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gareth_c Posted September 19, 2006 Share #20 Posted September 19, 2006 That's very incorrect. There's a reason why I paid more for my Leica gear than the white Cannon blowguns. I didn't ask to shoot bamboo, eh? And it does help in fact to take swipes... it prevents foolishness by wasting money on the white/red-ring gar-barrage that exists to undermine the nature of photography. No, taking swipes adds to the myth (mostly) that Leica owners are snobs who have little concept of reality and simply throw stones from their silos! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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