wattsy Posted September 20, 2006 Share #41 Posted September 20, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) It's strange that Leica have chosen to show the new finder fitted to an M8 with a new 28/F2.8 lens attached (and with the finder switched to the '28mm' setting). Somebody clearly wasn't thinking this through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 20, 2006 Posted September 20, 2006 Hi wattsy, Take a look here M8 viewfinder with 21 (28fov). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
marknorton Posted September 20, 2006 Share #42 Posted September 20, 2006 Probably done by a photographer who knows nothing about (Leica) photography. Perhaps a picture of the Tri-Elmar and the finder together was deemed too scary for a sensitive public. Seriously, I don't believe we have seen any front pictures of the Tri-Elmar yet - it is the furthest from release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_l Posted September 25, 2006 Author Share #43 Posted September 25, 2006 I just realized that the Leica 21/24/28 finder is variable magnification, showing a full size frame for each focal length.....the new multifinder is a fixed .28, which has to be worse - especially for the longer focal lengths, due to the increasingly small frame line area for longer lengths - even if the old one is a bit dimmer.... The only advantage of the new one seems to be the ability to work with my Voigtlander 12, by setting the 16mm length for the M8.....and the spirit level (not a big help for me, in fact it will be a distraction) - but those are at the expense of a decent image for everything else! And of course, the new finder will be great for film users of the new tri-elmar. sometimes compatiblity comes at too high a sacrifice, though. I've ordered the new finder with the tri-elmar, due to the big discount on the combined deal, but I'm not sure that I even want it at all based on the specs....could probably sell it for what I pay as part of the combined deal, and it might be fun to experiment with, but..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 25, 2006 Share #44 Posted September 25, 2006 Hi Andy, I understand your point and I don't have a good answer for you. I also haven't tried a 21 on an M8 yet but my gut instinct (recalling the finder from memory) is that the whole finder view will be a bit tight for a 21. To get a more definitive answer, I'll try a 21 and M8 together as soon as I can. Till then it's just a guess. I can say that my colleague Ed Schwartzreich (who writes for Viewfinder) wears glasses and was able to see the frame lines for the 24 in the M8. That's the widest he or I have tried on it yet. Ed or I could ask Tom Abrahamson who probably tried the 21. Cheers, Sean My apologies for not recalling the source but somewhere in the past couple of days I read a post from someone else (who I recall counting as credible) who said that the M8 finder really is to tight to work well for the 21. That had been my instinct. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicapfile Posted September 26, 2006 Share #45 Posted September 26, 2006 In reading the posts previous in this thread, there were a couple of interesting points. First off was reading the US patent link. I noted it was filed in March of 2002. Clearly they were working on this for awhile. That and I don't think there were individually chosen focal lengths that were enumerated in the document. Perhaps crop factor, focal lengths of the wide TRI, etc. weren't yet defined. At any rate, perusing that public document at that time would have provided some clues to the rabid Leicaphile as to what the future held. That and like many of the posters, I to was somewhat confused as to, when used with the M8, which framelines were depicted in the new finder. Are there in fact, two sets of framelines shown with each individual click to an individual focal length? One for film and one for digital? If not, might this be a clue to their presently working towards a FF digital, where only one set of frames per focal length will ultimately be necessary for both film and digital Ms? Currently then, the new finder has been designed to work seamlessly with the transition to a FF digital. As it appears to be bulky enough to accomadate this feature of two framlines per setting, AND would appear to make the finder truly 'Universal' for both film Ms and the M8, that would be the prefered solution for the moment. In that all Leica lenses, past present and future, will no doubt be identified by their FF focal length, that may be indicative as to the direction they are headed. For the moment though, I think they are making a strong pitch for the WA TRI, to be thought of as a lens equally at home on both film and digital Ms. Leica, make the finder and new TRI in chrome please.... Best, Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_l Posted September 26, 2006 Author Share #46 Posted September 26, 2006 nope, leicapfile, there is one set per focal length, for the M8 and the 16/18/21 tri, you select the 21/24/28 frame lines (one at a time) to account for the multiplier. so at a .28 magnification (needed to show an actual16 on film body), those lines are going to be in little tiny boxes in the finder window.... at least that is what we believe unless we hear differently from the folks at photokina... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_l Posted September 26, 2006 Author Share #47 Posted September 26, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Sean - I read the same post, person said that the 24 lines actually went right up to the sides of the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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