albertwang Posted September 12, 2006 Share #21 Posted September 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Of course, that's my bunny with the beret! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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grober Posted September 12, 2006 Share #22 Posted September 12, 2006 Don't forget to add some budget for the necessary "beefing up" of data storage on your photo computer in order to handle the large files from your new M8. Also, you'll need to give some thought to how you're going to "permanently" archive desired images from the new digi-M. (CDs are NOT archival!) Then there's the new photo printer you'll want to buy too. -g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ho_co Posted September 12, 2006 Share #23 Posted September 12, 2006 From Texas I can report that I know six people who have already put their names on lists, though the orders are not all at local dealers. One of these guys is semi-professional; the others just love good images. In regard to waiting lists, some dealers understand Leica and some don't. A dealer who doesn't understand the difference between it and other products isn't going to sell many Leicas. Actually, inflation has been rough on the US dollar; someone calculated that if you convert the M8 price back to 1950's terms, it's only about 33% more than the Leicas of those years. And I know a couple professionals who feel that they can't afford *not* to shoot Leica. --HC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 13, 2006 Share #24 Posted September 13, 2006 Some other prices: Tri-elmar 16-18-21: 3195€ Universal viewfinder: 729€ Tri+viewfinder: 3595€ elmarit 28: 1395€ Pascal, are these French prices with 19% VAT? That Elmarit seems good value and might be promoted as a new "starter set". Interesting that in the context of the 50/2, 35/2, 28/2, going wider for Leica is easier/less expensive that going faster. That extra stop in the 28/2 makes the price double. Interesting price bundle with the Tri-Elmar; I'll inevitably be buying the finder for my 21, so makes the marginal cost of the T-E €2866 which is a bit more reasonable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 13, 2006 Share #25 Posted September 13, 2006 These prices come from either CdI or Reponses Photo so they are French prices with VAT as far as I know and they are consistent with most of the leaks we had these last weeks. But of course, still to be confirmed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted September 13, 2006 Share #26 Posted September 13, 2006 BTW, the subscribers have received the last edition of Chasseur d'Images. Price announced: 4200€, incl. VAT. Stripping out French VAT, converting from Euro to UKP, and adding back UK VAT gives a UK price just in excess of £2,800. I guess Leica UK will round it up to something like £2,950 but that's still much lower than I was predicting (or hoping for). I realise that the M8 is missing certain costly features of the M7/MP like the cloth shutter but the price still seems unfeasibly low when compared to the film bodies. Fingers crossed it turns out to be true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 13, 2006 Share #27 Posted September 13, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes, if these are the real prices, they are surpringsly low. But as I said before, I hope this is because Leica new boss does not want to be the "keeper of the tradition key" and so on but maybe sell cameras used to take pictures instead. The fact that the M8 is launched with the new tri-elmar and with the "low-cost" 28/2 goes in that direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 13, 2006 Share #28 Posted September 13, 2006 If the M8 is really as good at high ISO and some are suggesting, the Elmarits, Tri-Elmars and Elmars will be be fine and compact companions for the camera, 28mm f2.8/50mm f4/90mm f4 sounds an attractive kit to me, and relatively inexpensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide.angle Posted September 13, 2006 Share #29 Posted September 13, 2006 Unless there is a way to win one (and I got very, very lucky with a winning image) I will stick with the lower cost leica film alternative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 13, 2006 Share #30 Posted September 13, 2006 It seems unlikely that the M8 will be the first diital camera one would purchase. Therefore, all the other stuff one needs like hard disk storage, printers, and imaging software have probably long since been purchased. I long since remember discussing how I was being razor-bladed to death on this Forum. The new M8 owner might have to buy new SD cards and/or batteries. My dealer did not know if the battery from the D2 would fit the M8. And, if the M8 takes an SD card and can also take one with more capacity than 2gb, then maybe a bigger, fast card will be in the offing. I don't understand the quibbling about prices. If we get this camera at US$4,500, then that's less than the US$5k or so that was being tossed around on the Forum. The D2 was less than an analog M body. I am in line for an M8 (and have been squirreling $ away for the purpose). It's cheaper than almost any car and will outlast all cars. Also, the rumored price for the new, wide lens that is supposed to ship with the M8 is maybe HALF the cost of similar asph lenses from Leica. These guys are bending over backwards for us on that one. I do professional photography and expect two things. (1) the camera will pay for itself (just not very fast), and (2) by the time I'm finished using it, it won't have cost much per year. Now, have you looked at the prices for Canon, Nikon, and Kodak professional-class bodies? They cost in the same range as this camera. And they don't even use real lenses. And, I'll bet some of those who are carping about this almost-here camera have purchased expensive cars. Now there is a bad investment! Do you have M lenses in your kit? Now you can use them. I am waiting with ill-concealed anticipation of getting the correct images (read: via Leica lenses) from my digital camera. Those who want a cheaper alternative could have purchased the Epson RD-1 more than a year ago -- $3k. Those who use it find it an excellent body and use it with Leica -- and other -- lenses. I am in the camp that is not depending upon film to make the rest of my life happy or acceptable. I find that images from the D2 are exceptional. I'll let you know when the miracle of the M8 arrives and the quality of my images stuns me. We are at the threshhold of medium-format quality in a 35 mm-format, hand-held camera. I started scanning my negs and printing digitally more than 8 years ago. I've got more than 2 terabytes of storage at this point (some is for video, I confess), and I spend way too much time doing computer hardware-related stuff, like backup. But, I really like digital negs, have come to terms with Photoshop, and find my Epson 2400-based prints are of a very high quality. Gimme the camera! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pekem Posted September 13, 2006 Share #31 Posted September 13, 2006 People are queuing up to buy them... So we are told by the "spinners"! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 13, 2006 Share #32 Posted September 13, 2006 I agree Bill , just send me one for damn sake. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted September 13, 2006 Share #33 Posted September 13, 2006 Gimme the loot, gimme the loot... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide.angle Posted September 13, 2006 Share #34 Posted September 13, 2006 And, I'll bet some of those who are carping about this almost-here camera have purchased expensive cars. Now there is a bad investment! For what its worth, I drive a '93 Saab Aero, which I purchased for less than its worth now. Sadly, I cannot justify camera expenses on the sale of that which it produces since I'm not in that business. I merely carry a camera in an attempt to capture moments in time to be passionately remembered and shared. I like to think that as time goes by, I'm getting better at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted September 14, 2006 Share #35 Posted September 14, 2006 So do we all Scott, and looking at a recent set of pictures I took, I need to get better at using flash. If all this was easy, we wouldn't find it so interesting. What we called the Digital M for months is soon to be a reality which will help us along the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted September 14, 2006 Share #36 Posted September 14, 2006 The real problem for all photographers is the majority of pix that stink. Speaking for myself, I need to improve my eye all the time. We gotta stop the technical stuff and take pix. Gimme the camera! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddawn Posted September 14, 2006 Share #37 Posted September 14, 2006 We are at the threshhold of medium-format quality in a 35 mm-format, hand-held camera. Some say we've already crossed that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted September 14, 2006 Share #38 Posted September 14, 2006 "...but with professionals it is little bit different." No it's not. They like toys also. "They would be able to afford top models, but they know it is not about it. It is about skills and briliant pictures, something no one can buy :-) They do not need them." Tell that to Canon as they pump out $8000.1DsMKIIs as well as 1DMKIIs & 5Ds. That's not P&S cameras in the hands of all those Paparazzi. The wedding business is rife with $3,000 to $5000. DSLRs. Most every pro I've worked with takes their gear dead serious. Their living depends on it. Only "show off" people are buying these top model, people who want to present themself not by their work or photos but camera hanging aroung their neck. Only? Maybe that is why here at Leica forum are threads like "can my Leica attract girls?". Oh, so pathetic." What's pathetic is that the above statement isn't true. I WISH my Ms would attract women ... but then my wife wouldn't let me out of the house with one hanging around my neck (the M camera that is). Gimme the camera. I am sick to death of carrying around a cinder block of a camera for 8 straight hours every weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted September 14, 2006 Share #39 Posted September 14, 2006 "Maybe that is why here at Leica forum are threads like "can my Leica attract girls?". Oh, so pathetic." What's pathetic is that the above statement isn't true. I WISH my Ms would attract women ... but then my wife wouldn't let me out of the house with one hanging around my neck (the M camera that is). Try Ferraris, they work well with blondes when indeed, a Leica camera is useless. Of course, this is much more expensive but hey, girls were never supposed to be cheap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted September 14, 2006 Share #40 Posted September 14, 2006 LOL . hey no camera around my neck is going to make me look any better than i already look. Like Marc i am a pro also and tools are dead serious stuff . otherwise we would not labor over getting the absolute best camera we can to get the job done. It is and never will be about the money we spend but it is and always will be what images we can draw from it. The real issue is can we get what money we spend back 5 fold in that given year we bought it otherwise we are scratching our head how to pay the mortgage. i admit leica's are pretty to look at but frankly you could paste any name you want on my nameplate and i could care less as long as it produces images of the utmost quality and helps me make a nice living. i buy leica because i have tried everything on the planet and leica glass is the best there is. It is just that simple. Don't get me wrong price matters but it is a secondary decision to a photograhers needs first. And yes we do like toys too. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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