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Superb images and comprehensive review, thanks.

It is certainly a Leica, but seems closer to a Q with a M mount.  For new entrants to the M system the lack of both AF and IBIS are surely big facts to rationalise.

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Thank you Elmar, it was an interesting analysis. I did not have much interest in an EVF M, though I do use the EVF a lot on my M10M and also have an SL2. The main thing I was curious about is whether they would come up with some novel solution to make the focus quicker and more accurate without full magnification, which for me (and it seems, you) is the biggest hurdle to using an EVF with M lenses. I am honestly a bit surprised they did not implement any kind of focus confirmation. I actually expected them to repurpose the metering cues (right facing arrow, dot, left facing arrow), only for focus. I think that would have been a very elegant way to do it. But I guess it was not feasible for some reason. Instead we are left with the same methods that are available in the Visoflex and SL cameras. While I am sure people will buy this, to me it seems a noticeable step down from either the standard M with added Visoflex (so you always have an option for the rangefinder), or the SL cameras, which add a lot more capability, including stabilization, video and access to AF lenses when needed. I know the camera is not for me, but I wonder who is going to really claim that this is the perfect solution for them. I am happy for them in theory, I am just curious how many of them are out there...

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb elmars:

Who is the M EV1 suitable for?

It's for those who don't like a rangefinder.

A rangefinder's most decisive property is: It connects the photographer to the subject ... and hence leaves the visualisation of the picture-to-be to the photographer. An SLR or electronic viewfinder does the opposite: It connects the photographer to the image but disconnects the photographer from the subject. It releaves the mental toil of pre-visualisation ... at the price of erecting a wall between subject and photographer.

That's why some love the rangefinder principle while others just cannot get along with it. The M EV1 is for the latter.

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34 minutes ago, 01af said:

It's for those who don't like a rangefinder.

A rangefinder's most decisive property is: It connects the photographer to the subject ... and hence leaves the visualisation of the picture-to-be to the photographer. An SLR or electronic viewfinder does the opposite: It connects the photographer to the image but disconnects the photographer from the subject. It releaves the mental toil of pre-visualisation ... at the price of erecting a wall between subject and photographer.

That's why some love the rangefinder principle while others just cannot get along with it. The M EV1 is for the latter.

It also might be for the people who like the rangefinder for part of their work and other finders for other work.

I have pruned my (excessive) digital camera fleet to just two cameras: an Epson R-D1 for the intuitive "work" (when I'm connected to the subject, as you call it) and a Leica CL for precision work such as architecture or still lives (when I'm connected to the resulting image, as you call it). Some of the time I use the same lenses on both and most of those are by Leica.

Using both an Mn and an M-EVFn would be bliss, I imagine. Same sensor stack, hence same work flow, and same user interface of the gear when in the field. What's not to like, excepting the price tag, of course? 

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1 hour ago, 01af said:

A rangefinder's most decisive property is: It connects the photographer to the subject ... and hence leaves the visualisation of the picture-to-be to the photographer. An SLR or electronic viewfinder does the opposite: It connects the photographer to the image but disconnects the photographer from the subject. It releaves the mental toil of pre-visualisation ... at the price of erecting a wall between subject and photographer.

An interesting and appropriate analysis. 

One looks through an optical viewfinder, but at an electronic viewfinder.

Thank you for your work on this!

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Bought it today. Battery wasn't charged (as opposed to Apple products). Small nuisance, though. Had to delete my Leica FOTOS app to be able to pair the M EV1 (and set up my other three Leicas again ...), not a big deal, as I also did all the firmware updates. Image count started at 8k (why?). Magenta shift lower than M11 and M11P (ca 23 vs 6 tint in ACR). Firmware change to adjust WB seems like a very good answer to all the issues I have had in the past - but will to check in more detail. Lack of ISO dial no issue for me. EVF is very nice (quantum leap from Visoflex 2, haptics remain great) - to realize it only has 60fps, you have to dig deeper into the Leica website (why not just lay this in the open more prominently?).

Although bought Leica gear for almost CHF40k in the last 12months from Leica Switzerland (=ZRH and BSL), didin't get an invite for today from Leica shop BSL (just an email last week whether I wanted to join a "masterclass" for a CHF1.5k bucks), so made sure I bought from another dealer (one who cares more for his customers).

Despite all the complaints, I am VERY happy with the new camera - time will tell to what extent I will prefer EVF over FR.

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Thank you so much for the review and insights!

1) Do you know if leica improved the weather sealing on the mount?

2) Does the EVF allow for B&W only viewing?

 

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Thank you, @elmars, for this positive, critical and open review. I’m happy to see that you really thought this through and were able to write this. 
 

I often see people using their back screen instead of the OVF or EVF of their cameras. It seems that the addition of this model is a bit superfluous for people with screens on the back of their cameras. I like to use viewfinders, but deliberately switched from and M11 to an M11-D. This new M EV1 might be a good addition to the M11-D for certain situations. 
 

PS love your photos and wonder how much time your were laying on your back in churches and other old buildings. 😉

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4 minutes ago, scroy said:

Thank you so much for the review and insights!

1) Do you know if leica improved the weather sealing on the mount?

2) Does the EVF allow for B&W only viewing?

 

1) no idea

2) yes - you have to set "JPG Settings" to a B&W mode

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vor 4 Stunden schrieb mboerma:

PS love your photos and wonder how much time your were laying on your back in churches and other old buildings.

It's more my neck that has suffered. Thank you for your sympathy.

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vor 4 Stunden schrieb scroy:

Thank you so much for the review and insights!

1) Do you know if leica improved the weather sealing on the mount?

2) Does the EVF allow for B&W only viewing?

 

1. No

2. Yes, You have to set the JPG to Monochrom

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vor 6 Stunden schrieb Stuart Richardson:

Thank you Elmar, it was an interesting analysis. I did not have much interest in an EVF M, though I do use the EVF a lot on my M10M and also have an SL2. The main thing I was curious about is whether they would come up with some novel solution to make the focus quicker and more accurate without full magnification, which for me (and it seems, you) is the biggest hurdle to using an EVF with M lenses. I am honestly a bit surprised they did not implement any kind of focus confirmation. I actually expected them to repurpose the metering cues (right facing arrow, dot, left facing arrow), only for focus. I think that would have been a very elegant way to do it. But I guess it was not feasible for some reason. Instead we are left with the same methods that are available in the Visoflex and SL cameras. While I am sure people will buy this, to me it seems a noticeable step down from either the standard M with added Visoflex (so you always have an option for the rangefinder), or the SL cameras, which add a lot more capability, including stabilization, video and access to AF lenses when needed. I know the camera is not for me, but I wonder who is going to really claim that this is the perfect solution for them. I am happy for them in theory, I am just curious how many of them are out there...

I think it's a kind of market research for Leica. The investment in the EV1 was probably limited. If the market accepts it, Leica will invest more and there will be innovations. At least, that's what I hope.

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