BIGUP Posted July 13 Share #21 Posted July 13 Advertisement (gone after registration) Thank you for comment. So I guess there's no chance left we've got those functions any day... Sad enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BIGUP Posted July 13 Share #22 Posted July 13 Hi, 2 years after, apparently Leica doesn't care about our thoughts and wishes. I don't understand why they act like that since it shouldn't be complicated to add this feature to their cameras... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Chef Posted July 13 Share #23 Posted July 13 (edited) I suspect that the resolution of the EVF, refresh rates and processing power can't handle that level of cropping while you have moving objects you are trying to focus on. And why not just crop in post? It's easy enough to do and you have greater flexibility to crop the way that works best. Maybe you change your mind and 16:9 works better for a particular shot. Cropping in post gives you more choice. 4 hours ago, BIGUP said: Hi, 2 years after, apparently Leica doesn't care about our thoughts and wishes. I don't understand why they act like that since it shouldn't be complicated to add this feature to their cameras... Edited July 13 by Le Chef 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-train Posted July 13 Share #24 Posted July 13 (edited) “Das Wesentliche” No more buttons, as few menu items as possible. As simple as that, it is a Leica! Edited July 13 by F-train Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-train Posted July 13 Share #25 Posted July 13 (edited) “Das Wesentliche” No more buttons, as few menu items as possible. As simple as that, it is a Leica! I posted this in another crop topic, but same goes for here. The way the Q works is imho essential for the type of camera. All kinds of stuff would be nice, but you would probably end up with a Canon R5. Edited July 13 by F-train Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RQ44 Posted July 13 Share #26 Posted July 13 (edited) If you would like something close to revealing a full screen version of your crop, try setting your file recording format to DNG and Jpeg or just jpeg. Once you take a shot, the photo review will be in a fullscreen representation of the crop. I appreciate the panorama frame lines idea and though it would be nice, again its not too complex to visualise the frame. The easy way to get around it is to make sure your sides of frame are what you would like seen in the completed pano and whatever is in between will be in the photo. I hope this helps. Edited July 13 by RQ44 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Maclean Posted July 14 Share #27 Posted July 14 Advertisement (gone after registration) I do think it would be nice to have an option to only preview the selected crop. Even before taking the picture, rather than just the frame lines. Basically making the camera be a “60”, “75” or whatever it is. It would be an immersive way to use a feature that is already there. It would not really complicate much, after all it is just a digital zoom. note that I state the “option” not for it to just function that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGUP Posted July 14 Share #28 Posted July 14 18 hours ago, Le Chef said: I suspect that the resolution of the EVF, refresh rates and processing power can't handle that level of cropping while you have moving objects you are trying to focus on. And why not just crop in post? It's easy enough to do and you have greater flexibility to crop the way that works best. Maybe you change your mind and 16:9 works better for a particular shot. Cropping in post gives you more choice. I don't think it's a hardware limitation at all since this is something basic that doesn't require processing power at all, or very few. I won't develop the "why not just crop" since this is obvious, isn't it ? Having the good composition directly, etc, etc, etc. The main point here is : why not allowing the user to select the option he wants ? Especially since the cropping capability is over sold buy Leica. That's a very strange attitude. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGUP Posted July 14 Share #29 Posted July 14 15 hours ago, F-train said: “Das Wesentliche” No more buttons, as few menu items as possible. As simple as that, it is a Leica! Did you ever dive into the menu of the Q3, at least once ? Because it is very dense, with A LOT of settings. So, why not just adding one to let us the choice of our prefered way to crop ? Seriously, where "simplicity" enters in the game here ? And why adding a 75 and 90mm crops then, if you can't use them ? Because who can honestly tell us that he can compose correctly at those values ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGUP Posted July 14 Share #30 Posted July 14 6 hours ago, S Maclean said: I do think it would be nice to have an option to only preview the selected crop. Even before taking the picture, rather than just the frame lines. Basically making the camera be a “60”, “75” or whatever it is. It would be an immersive way to use a feature that is already there. It would not really complicate much, after all it is just a digital zoom. note that I state the “option” not for it to just function that way. Exactly what I think. Adding this option shouldn't be that hard to do, since a thousands of cameras for 20 years and more have it, even 50$ ones. And it won't hurt the so called "purists" or "fanboys" either, since they will continue to enjoy using the frame lines to nail their 90mm compositions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGUP Posted July 14 Share #31 Posted July 14 10 hours ago, RQ44 said: If you would like something close to revealing a full screen version of your crop, try setting your file recording format to DNG and Jpeg or just jpeg. Once you take a shot, the photo review will be in a fullscreen representation of the crop. I appreciate the panorama frame lines idea and though it would be nice, again its not too complex to visualise the frame. The easy way to get around it is to make sure your sides of frame are what you would like seen in the completed pano and whatever is in between will be in the photo. I hope this helps. Thanks for the idea but knowing your composition after the moment you took the picture completety defeat the "decisive moment" photography is for many of us. "Of all the means of expression, photography is the only one that fixes a precise moment in time.” HCB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGUP Posted July 14 Share #32 Posted July 14 I forgot to mention that when we record a cropped video, the full screen view works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted July 14 Share #33 Posted July 14 30 minutes ago, BIGUP said: Did you ever dive into the menu of the Q3, at least once ? Because it is very dense, with A LOT of settings. So, why not just adding one to let us the choice of our prefered way to crop ? Seriously, where "simplicity" enters in the game here ? And why adding a 75 and 90mm crops then, if you can't use them ? Because who can honestly tell us that he can compose correctly at those values ? I don't ever go above 50mm crop but I cannot speak for others of course. Easily done in post if required anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 14 Share #34 Posted July 14 (edited) I suspect the answer as to why Leica didn't show the cropped image as a preview is that they designed the Q to look like a Leica M, with frame lines the same. Then designed the electronics so the EVF is a low res version of what's on the sensor. Which means that magnifying it to display only the crop would magnify an already low res image, like magnifying the image for manual zoom. If that's how it works, then changing it to give a full-res image would require changing the design rather than the firmware. But anyway, I don't find it a problem. I can compose at a distance (within reason) with the Q2 (now sold) and Q3 43. The crop lines are irrelevant for precise composition because I can move and resize them in post. If you need to see the exact crop in order to compose and fix it in your final image, I can see your problem, but I don't find it a constraint. Edited July 14 by LocalHero1953 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNK100 Posted July 14 Share #35 Posted July 14 7 minutes ago, LocalHero1953 said: I suspect the answer as to why Leica didn't show the cropped image as a preview is that they designed the Q to look like a Leica M, with frame lines the same. Then designed the electronics so the EVF is a low res version of what's on the sensor. Which means that magnifying it to display only the crop would magnify an already low res image, like magnifying the image for manual zoom. If that's how it works, then changing it to give a full-res image would require changing the design rather than the firmware. But anyway, I don't find it a problem. I can compose at a distance (within reason) with the Q2 (now sold) and Q3 43. The crop lines are irrelevant for precise composition because I can move and resize them in post. If you need to see the exact crop in order to compose and fix it in your final image, I can see your problem, but I don't find it a constraint. This makes perfect sense and not something I had thought of. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander108 Posted July 14 Share #36 Posted July 14 vor 22 Stunden schrieb F-train: “Das Wesentliche” No more buttons, as few menu items as possible. As simple as that, it is a Leica! Where do you start, where do you stop? What is "wesentlich" (essential)? I'd say shutter speed, aperture and ISO. Autofocus and auto exposure? OK may be. But everything else? Maybe not. When you look at it from a rather "Das Wesentliche" perspective, the Q3 is already totally overloaded with functions that are certainly not "essential" but make the camera a great tool. And this it what it all should be about: a great tool that helps you create great photos. It is, by the way, not the case that the Q3 does not show a cropped view. The aspect ration is cropped in the EVF / display. It is not shown as lines. vor 6 Stunden schrieb LocalHero1953: I suspect the answer as to why Leica didn't show the cropped image as a preview is that they designed the Q to look like a Leica M, with frame lines the same. Then designed the electronics so the EVF is a low res version of what's on the sensor. Which means that magnifying it to display only the crop would magnify an already low res image, like magnifying the image for manual zoom. If that's how it works, then changing it to give a full-res image would require changing the design rather than the firmware. First of all, the Q3 is not an M. As far as I know the M does not have an Auto Focus. These are two very different cameras for very different purposes. How the picture appears in the EVF / display is pure speculation. The magnification function (which you can assign to a function key) is certainly not merely a low-low-res. I'd say: A digital zoom (as Leica calls this function) should operate like a digital zoom. To me it is not comprehensible that this has not been implemented. A toggle between a real digital zoom view and crop lines should be possible. After all we are talking software only. Why is this important? When I do street photography I often use the tilted display while the camera is at belly height. With the 50mm crop I can barely see what is clearly in the frame. And no, the Q3 43 is not an option as I regularly use the 28mm focal length. Here's a self portrait that gives you an idea: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! But in the end we all may agree to not agree. Cheers Alexander 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! But in the end we all may agree to not agree. Cheers Alexander ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/423029-q3-cropping-experience-could-be-way-better-imho/?do=findComment&comment=5833498'>More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted July 14 Share #37 Posted July 14 2 minutes ago, Alexander108 said: First of all, the Q3 is not an M. As far as I know the M does not have an Auto Focus. These are two very different cameras for very different purposes. How the picture appears in the EVF / display is pure speculation. The magnification function (which you can assign to a function key) is certainly not merely a low-low-res. No need to start an argument with me about it. I was responding to the OP with a bit of speculation and helpful suggestions. You have different notions, and you want Leica to do something about it. You're welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander108 Posted July 14 Share #38 Posted July 14 (edited) My sincerest apologies, @LocalHero1953. I did not want to start an argument. I wanted to delete that portion but it's too late. May the moderator can delete my post. Edited July 14 by Alexander108 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobtodrick Posted July 14 Share #39 Posted July 14 12 hours ago, LocalHero1953 said: I suspect the answer as to why Leica didn't show the cropped image as a preview is that they designed the Q to look like a Leica M, with frame lines the same. Then designed the electronics so the EVF is a low res version of what's on the sensor. Which means that magnifying it to display only the crop would magnify an already low res image, like magnifying the image for manual zoom. If that's how it works, then changing it to give a full-res image would require changing the design rather than the firmware. But anyway, I don't find it a problem. I can compose at a distance (within reason) with the Q2 (now sold) and Q3 43. The crop lines are irrelevant for precise composition because I can move and resize them in post. If you need to see the exact crop in order to compose and fix it in your final image, I can see your problem, but I don't find it a constraint. I completely agree. After many years of using an M4 with frame lines (including the minuscule 90mm) I find the Q system no problem at all. If I wanted a ‘do everything’ camera Leica wouldn’t be my first choice. But I don’t want a cookie cutter do everything camera. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGUP Posted July 15 Share #40 Posted July 15 Thank you @LocalHero1953, @Alexander108 and the others for your replies. I understand your points of view and I agree with most of them. Basically @Alexander108 translated my feellings at the perfection. So I know I'm not alone now. For the people who don't understand what we hope for and think the camera is perfect as it is, well, please, try to understand that what you think isn't necesarily universal, even if the majority of the forum users think (or expresse it) the same as you. I hope there is space here for everybody like us who own and use those great tools, even if we think they can be improved a little bit. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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