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1 hour ago, costa43 said:

Nice photos but I'm sorry, I do not see what you see. There are rangefinder lenses made by many other manufacturers with very similar if not identical optical designs to Leica lenses so the Leica Look you state is not really specific to Leica but more to the system itself? Am I understanding you correctly?

The Leica Look = Leica designed lens made exclusively for their rangefinder M rangefinder…!

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3 hours ago, Anthony MD said:

The Leica Look is just the outcome of the design of manufacturing a lens by Leica that is made with less glass thanks to the flange distance of a rangefinder.  This lens has the characteristics of more micro dynamics without the aggressive sharpness, the Leica Look!

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amusing, considering most lens renders look the same at f8-f22

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32 minutes ago, frame-it said:

amusing, considering most lens renders look the same at f8-f22

As long it’s a Leica lens designed for an M  rangefinder the aperture doesn’t matter…!

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27 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

As long it’s a Leica lens designed for an M  rangefinder the aperture doesn’t matter…!

even if you cant see the look? then its a placebo effect

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33 minutes ago, frame-it said:

even if you cant see the look? then its a placebo effect

The Look is acquired and needs a trained eye with understanding on the principles behind the Leica lens designed for the M rangefinder…👀

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17 minutes ago, costa43 said:

Does a voigtlander lens have this look when used on a Leica camera?

The Look comes from the simple design of a Leica lens corresponding to the flange distance of a M rangefinder.
A Voigtlander lens is not designed especially for a Leica M rangefinder…!

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23 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

The Look comes from the simple design of a Leica lens corresponding to the flange distance of a M rangefinder.
A Voigtlander lens is not designed especially for a Leica M rangefinder…!

So your knowledge of this explanation is laughable without any intelligent reasoning…?

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1 hour ago, Anthony MD said:

A Voigtlander lens is not designed especially for a Leica M rangefinder…!

this whole thread is laughable, but anyway, here is some good reading material:

 

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/voigtlander/voigtlander-vm-leica-m-mount-lenses/

 

https://www.adaminsights.com/voigtlander-lenses/

 

https://www.cameraquest.com/voigtlen.htm

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20 minutes ago, frame-it said:

My guess it’s easier to say Leica Look than Voightlander Look…!

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On 7/7/2025 at 7:20 AM, Anthony MD said:

Why hasn’t anyone heard of the Voigtlander, Sony or Cannon Look…?

Because they’re not so obscenely expensive that skilled marketers or owners needing to justify their outlay feel the need to come up with a mythical sort of unfalsifiable distinction that justifies their ownership.

That said, I very much do like the rendering of my basic v/4 50mm summicron 😃 

Then again, I can be pretty convincing when trying to fool myself. 

To be perfectly honest, sometimes I think I can see a bit of a difference in really well done high resolution digital files or scans - more often in well done prints. I hardly ever can tell a difference on normal resolution pictures on the internet. The only exception sometimes being certain traits of out of focus areas, but that’s really not a part of photography that holds any interest for me. 

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4 hours ago, Anthony MD said:

A Voigtlander lens is not designed especially for a Leica M rangefinder…!

No I guess they just design manual focus rangefinder lenses for all of the other M mount rangefinders out there. 

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31 minutes ago, pgh said:

Because they’re not so obscenely expensive that skilled marketers or owners needing to justify their outlay feel the need to come up with a mythical sort of unfalsifiable distinction that justifies their ownership.

That said, I very much do like the rendering of my basic v/4 50mm summicron 😃 

Then again, I can be pretty convincing when trying to fool myself. 

To be perfectly honest, sometimes I think I can see a bit of a difference in really well done high resolution digital files or scans - more often in well done prints. I hardly ever can tell a difference on normal resolution pictures on the internet. The only exception sometimes being certain traits of out of focus areas, but that’s really not a part of photography that holds any interest for me. 

You get what you pay for…💵

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29 minutes ago, pgh said:

No I guess they just design manual focus rangefinder lenses for all of the other M mount rangefinders out there. 

Nor is the Voigtlander made to the exact precision of a Leica M lens…📷

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33 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

You get what you pay for…💵

Another story we tell ourselves to justify spending a lot of money. Holds true to a point, and then the returns are extremely marginal and diminishing. 

Different for everyone but if Nikon made a small full frame rangefinder there’s a good chance I’d hop brands. 

There’s a lot of reasons I prefer my M cameras most of the time, but I’ll never try to justify them on cost or value or image quality propositions lol. 

33 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

Nor is the Voigtlander made to the exact precision of a Leica M lens…📷

Again, nice story! What does it even mean. Precise in specifically what way? I think you’d find plenty who disagree here. 

Speaking of precision, my Leicas have more often than not been imprecisely assembled out of the factory and needed trips back to get them “precise.”

One thing that I’ll give you that is truly unmatched about Leica - the marketing and strength of brand. 

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1 hour ago, pgh said:

Another story we tell ourselves to justify spending a lot of money. Holds true to a point, and then the returns are extremely marginal and diminishing. 

Different for everyone but if Nikon made a small full frame rangefinder there’s a good chance I’d hop brands. 

There’s a lot of reasons I prefer my M cameras most of the time, but I’ll never try to justify them on cost or value or image quality propositions lol. 

Again, nice story! What does it even mean. Precise in specifically what way? I think you’d find plenty who disagree here. 

Speaking of precision, my Leicas have more often than not been imprecisely assembled out of the factory and needed trips back to get them “precise.”

One thing that I’ll give you that is truly unmatched about Leica - the marketing and strength of brand. 

Precision in higher tolerance…!

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4 hours ago, Anthony MD said:

Nor is the Voigtlander made to the exact precision of a Leica M lens…📷

This is true. It takes special hands to make a new lens with a wobbly aperture ring.  Voigtlander has not developed that ability yet.  

I’m looking forward to Leica’s greatest new lens ever, the Placebo-lux.   It gives Leica bokeh even with the lens cap on.  

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Leica lenses offer a look’ is it really that different from a Nikon or Canon lens used on the same camera and in the same circumstances? I have used Leica, Nikon, Canon, Pentax & Konica. Looking back through my library (20 years) some Leica images do stand out. In certain circumstances other lenses offer a look’ - Having used M cameras and quite a few other film and digitals, I like the consistency of Leica glass, yes, they cost more, in most instances they last longer and can be used with adapters on multiple cameras, giving the Leica Look’ …. 🍷

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37 minutes ago, Vanillasludge said:

This is true. It takes special hands to make a new lens with a wobbly aperture ring.  Voigtlander has not developed that ability yet.  

I’m looking forward to Leica’s greatest new lens ever, the Placebo-lux.   It gives Leica bokeh even with the lens cap on.  

Pretty embarrassing to knock Leica on their own forum…🥸

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