Jan1985 Posted February 12 Share #1 Posted February 12 Advertisement (gone after registration) Does any has experience with one of these lenses? I am asking myself whether to go for the new Simera or the Nokton 1.2! I do weddings and portraiture. Is the smaller closer focus distance of the Simera and the rendering superior to the Nokton? Or does the Nokton produce a more characterful signature for certain kind of portrait? Just let me know what you think! Thanks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paulleica Posted February 12 Share #2 Posted February 12 The Nokton is somewhat soft in the close-up range at f/1.2 to f/2.0 and tends to have a slight glow. It is ok for portraits, but at larger apertures the corners and edges are very soft. I replaced it for the Nokton 50mm 1.5 and am very satisfied. It is already very sharp when fully open and the edges and corners are also much better. The Nokton 1.5 is very small and very light. I can highly recommend it. The Nokton 1.2 is very sharp over almost the entire image from aperture 5.6 (but not in the corners). The Nokton 1.5 is very sharp across the entire image from f/4.0 and also very good in the corners. I don't know the Symera, but I do know that it is relatively large and heavy. I wouldn't buy it for this reason. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 12 Share #3 Posted February 12 I have the Nokton 50/1.0 ASPH and the Simera 50/1.4 ASPH but not the Nokton 50/1.2 ASPH. From what I have seen, the Nokton 50/1.0 stopped down to f/1.2 behaves pretty similar to the 50/1.2. Both are nice and - technically - better choices compared to the 50mm Noctiluxes. What I do not like from the Noktons is their strong inverse field curvature (which is even stronger on the Noctilux). The Simera 50/1.4 is pretty perfect in almost every aspect - but it's a f/1.4 "only". So, if you want more than f/1.4, you are good to go for the Noktons, otherwise the Simera would be my recommendation. You find reviews for both of your candidates at phillipreeve.net. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wda Posted February 12 Share #4 Posted February 12 Jan, why not rent one to prove to your personal satisfaction which one, if any, suits your professional needs? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan1985 Posted February 12 Author Share #5 Posted February 12 vor 1 Stunde schrieb 3D-Kraft.com: I have the Nokton 50/1.0 ASPH and the Simera 50/1.4 ASPH but not the Nokton 50/1.2 ASPH. From what I have seen, the Nokton 50/1.0 stopped down to f/1.2 behaves pretty similar to the 50/1.2. Both are nice and - technically - better choices compared to the 50mm Noctiluxes. What I do not like from the Noktons is their strong inverse field curvature (which is even stronger on the Noctilux). The Simera 50/1.4 is pretty perfect in almost every aspect - but it's a f/1.4 "only". So, if you want more than f/1.4, you are good to go for the Noktons, otherwise the Simera would be my recommendation. You find reviews for both of your candidates at phillipreeve.net. I guess the real difference between 1.2 and 1.4 is not that much. And with the actual sensors higher ISOs are not a concern anymore. thanks for your input. I tend to go for the Simera. Because I also read that the 1.2 Nokton seems to too soft at 1.2. ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D-Kraft.com Posted February 12 Share #6 Posted February 12 vor 5 Minuten schrieb Jan1985: I guess the real difference between 1.2 and 1.4 is not that much. And with the actual sensors higher ISOs are not a concern anymore. In terms of lowlight performance, it's not a huge difference. But in terms of bokeh, you'll definitely notice also half stops. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanillasludge Posted February 12 Share #7 Posted February 12 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) I love my Nokton 1.2. Amazing flare resistance, mega sharp and beautiful bokeh. Some have noted a softness at close distances but I find that past two meters it’s very sharp at full aperture. Best wishes Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 12 by Vanillasludge 9 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419213-thypoch-50mm-simera-14-or-voigtl%C3%A4nder-50mm-nokton-12/?do=findComment&comment=5756495'>More sharing options...
Jan1985 Posted February 13 Author Share #8 Posted February 13 Wow impressive pictures! I've now decided to order the Simera 1.4 and to test it. And Maybe also a Nokton to test them side by side. In the end I can sell one of them. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan1985 Posted February 13 Author Share #9 Posted February 13 vor 11 Stunden schrieb Vanillasludge: I love my Nokton 1.2. Amazing flare resistance, mega sharp and beautiful bokeh. Some have noted a softness at close distances but I find that past two meters it’s very sharp at full aperture. Best wishes Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! But you did some sharpening in Lightroom? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanillasludge Posted February 13 Share #10 Posted February 13 16 minutes ago, Jan1985 said: But you did some sharpening in Lightroom? The default Lightroom sharpening is applied. I also downloaded these from my Flickr page so there could be some additional changes their system makes. As with any examples this small you can only judge overall rendition. I haven’t tried the Thypoch, but if it’s as good as the Nokton it’s very good. There are a number of comparisons between the Summilux asph and the Nokton on YouTube that state the Nokton is as good or better. Interestingly, on the M240 the best lens profile to use with the Nokton 1.2 is actually the Summilux asph. In my testing it was the only profile that didn’t overcorrect color shift in the extreme corners according to the Lightroom color mixer tool. Good luck on your search! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan1985 Posted February 13 Author Share #11 Posted February 13 That's really interesting! I will post some shots of the Thypoch here. It will arrive tomorrow and I got a good deal because it was a return shipment. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan1985 Posted February 13 Author Share #12 Posted February 13 vor 2 Stunden schrieb Vanillasludge: The default Lightroom sharpening is applied. I also downloaded these from my Flickr page so there could be some additional changes their system makes. As with any examples this small you can only judge overall rendition. I haven’t tried the Thypoch, but if it’s as good as the Nokton it’s very good. There are a number of comparisons between the Summilux asph and the Nokton on YouTube that state the Nokton is as good or better. Interestingly, on the M240 the best lens profile to use with the Nokton 1.2 is actually the Summilux asph. In my testing it was the only profile that didn’t overcorrect color shift in the extreme corners according to the Lightroom color mixer tool. Good luck on your search! Even at close distance? Because the Nokton doesn't have a floating element... Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sometimesmaybe Posted February 13 Share #13 Posted February 13 7 hours ago, Jan1985 said: Even at close distance? Because the Nokton doesn't have a floating element... obviously it's a matter for you re the rendering you're after, but im sure some of your subjects would thank you for using a more flattering lens for close ups Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmradman Posted February 13 Share #14 Posted February 13 (edited) Couple of examples with M240 and nokton 1.2 at max aperture. 6-bit coded as Noctilux 50mm f1.2. Light outside is early January in UK. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 13 by mmradman 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419213-thypoch-50mm-simera-14-or-voigtl%C3%A4nder-50mm-nokton-12/?do=findComment&comment=5757057'>More sharing options...
Vanillasludge Posted February 14 Share #15 Posted February 14 Nokton 50 1.2 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419213-thypoch-50mm-simera-14-or-voigtl%C3%A4nder-50mm-nokton-12/?do=findComment&comment=5757154'>More sharing options...
Jan1985 Posted February 14 Author Share #16 Posted February 14 Got the Thypoch Simera today. For my eyes it renders quite beautiful. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/419213-thypoch-50mm-simera-14-or-voigtl%C3%A4nder-50mm-nokton-12/?do=findComment&comment=5757334'>More sharing options...
satijntje Posted February 15 Share #17 Posted February 15 Jan, would you have a chance to compare it with a 50mm Summilux ASPH? Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan1985 Posted February 15 Author Share #18 Posted February 15 vor 3 Stunden schrieb satijntje: Jan, would you have a chance to compare it with a 50mm Summilux ASPH? I'm sorry. But at the moment I have no copy of a Leica Summilux on my table. In the last 2 weeks I read or watched nearly every review that I could find about the Thypoch Simera. And the conclusion of them all was. that the Simera is the only lens that comes closest to the Summilux. In some aspects it should be even better. So there's question why should I spend more than 8 times the price of the Thypoch? But it can not check these results on my own. I guess in the next months we will see more comparisons. What I can say is that the look and feel of the Thypoch is really nice for this price point. The focus throw is smooth even if it is not on the Leica level. I have the silver version. Will use it in my next portrait shootings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
padam Posted February 17 Share #19 Posted February 17 On 2/15/2025 at 6:17 PM, satijntje said: Jan, would you have a chance to compare it with a 50mm Summilux ASPH? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted February 18 Share #20 Posted February 18 The first choice is still Leica Summilux. The second choice is Thypoch. It's the more balanced all-aperture and all-frame 50mm f1.4. Period. No third choice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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