Leica m11-p multiple exposure on the same frame

[pedaes]

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40 minutes ago, J S H said:

exposure value of the final image.

Ok, so a computed bracketed image. This is different from the true multiple exposure ability of a film camera, where you could capture different scenes on same frame eg. two exposures with and without people to give a ghost effect.

[shahriar]

yes, exactly!

[Ule]

As you can see from the Leica old hands' confusion as to what is meant by "multiple exposures", and their questioning if any digital camera could do it, Leica photographers have obviously no need for that feature. But it's a thing for others and it should be no technical problem to implement that in firmware for all the Leica newbies such as myself who appreciate the feature. 

[shahriar]

Yes exactly, I hope Leica technician or whoever is making the firmware update see this post, and make it possible on m11-p.

 

Thank you, shahriar

[J S H]

33 minutes ago, pedaes said:

Ok, so a computed bracketed image. This is different from the true multiple exposure ability of a film camera, where you could capture different scenes on same frame eg. two exposures with and without people to give a ghost effect.

No, that is incorrect.
 

On the Canon 1DX2, which is the camera I used this capability with last, it was a true multiple exposure. You choose in advance how many exposures there will be and in turn, the camera adds each image as you shoot it, but each image only contributes the chosen amount of exposure to the final image. The final RAW image is then a composite version which contains the three individual exposures and if you shot each portion correctly, the finished image would be exposed correctly. 

[Ule]

vor 7 Minuten schrieb J S H:

No, that is incorrect.
 

On the Canon 1DX2, which is the camera I used this capability with last, it was a true multiple exposure. You choose in advance how many exposures there will be and in turn, the camera adds each image as you shoot it, but each image only contributes the chosen amount of exposure to the final image. The final RAW image is then a composite version which contains the three individual exposures and if you shot each portion correctly, the finished image would be exposed correctly. 

That is correct. On the Nikon D3X, which is the camera I used this feature on, the process is the same.  

[shahriar]

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Yes, I know Canon cameras do that, Nikon does that to. Maybe someday Leica will add that to their cameras or a firmware update for m11 would be nice. At least for us who own one already.

Thank you, Shaheriar

[pedaes]

41 minutes ago, J S H said:

true multiple exposure.

I think we have a different definition of multiple exposure, which is fine. I had Canon 1D, and can't remember what it could do. On the Canon can you take two, or three or more, exposures of different scenes on a single image, maybe with days between shots? That is what I understand as multiple exposure a la a film camera. I understand multi shots for exposure accuracy and/or HDR as something different, and I think OP was asking about what you describe (albeit OP does say 'on the same frame' ), but his title means something different to me, and maybe others, still in film mode!

Best move on, I will get my coat.

Edited February 8 by pedaes

[jpark114]

Well somehow until now, I had no idea my R5 could do multiple exposures.  I've shoot it in HDR mode occasionally, and the setting seems there in the same location, but didn't pay that much attention until now.  very interesting.  Somehow, I always thought a true multiple exposure done in photoshop with multiple raws.  

[shahriar]

I don't think there is any right or wrong way. Some people like doing it in Photoshop, and some like doing it in camera.

[J S H]

2 hours ago, pedaes said:

I think we have a different definition of multiple exposure, which is fine. I had Canon 1D, and can't remember what it could do. On the Canon can you take two, or three or more, exposures of different scenes on a single image, maybe with days between shots? That is what I understand as multiple exposure a la a film camera. I understand multi shots for exposure accuracy and/or HDR as something different, and I think OP was asking about what you describe (albeit OP does say 'on the same frame' ), but his title means something different to me, and maybe others, still in film mode!

Best move on, I will get my coat.

I think there is enough variance that it's hard to define exactly what constitutes a true multiple exposure. It's a term that gets thrown around often. I still use my Canon 1V regularly and it has excellent multiple exposure capabilities for film use, and is programmed in the same way. You tell it how many exposures will constitute the final image and it lets you shoot them at your leisure. You can turn the camera off between shots and you can even add more shots to the process at any time. The final result will be recorded onto one frame of film. 

With the 1DX2, everything works the same way, but you need to keep the camera powered on between shots and to the end of the process, because it has to write the final RAW file after all shots are completed. Other than that restriction, the process and end result are exactly same for both film and digital. You could theoretically keep the 1DX powered for days, if desired, but that's probably not practical for most uses. The 1DX cameras also have another multiple exposure mode where it averages a selected number of images without the additive exposure properties, so the metered exposure for a single frame is the same as one with 20 frames, it's just that the final RAW image will be a blend of the 20 frames after averaging.

Truthfully, I don't think it's worth getting hung up on...with digital imaging, all of the restrictions have been removed, so you can do about whatever you want and in whatever manner you want. The one thing I'm pretty sure of, is that Leica will likely never add this capability to the existing M lineup via firmware update. But I guess it's possible that if enough people ask, it could be added to a future Leica camera. 

[shahriar]

I have a in photography  for 40 years, an there is  only one meaning in double exposure or multiple exposure for me. And that  is when 2 or more exposures are recorded on the same. Frame.

[pedaes]

16 hours ago, jpark114 said:

true multiple exposure done in photoshop

Isn't 'true' and 'photoshop' an oxymoron?😉