The Hunt for an M-D 262

[m-d262]

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Hi all, I am new here and to Leica in general. After shooting with a large number of cameras over the past 15+ years, I have finally been bitten by the Leica bug. Specifically, I am looking to simplify as much as possible, which has brought me to the M-D 262. My searching has brought me here as it seems a fair number of you have this camera and actively post about it, which, as I am sure you're aware, is rather uncommon.

This looks like a good spot to hangout once I do finally get one, so I joined ahead of time. I am curious if the user with the "md-262" username is still active, if so, hey!

My hope is that someone knows of someone or someplace that is selling. 
I would also love to discuss anything about these cameras with other users. Usage, how long you've owned it, what other cameras you use regularly, how much you paid, really anything.

Edited December 30, 2024 by jaapv

[pippy]

3 hours ago, m-d262 said:

...I am looking to simplify as much as possible, which has brought me to the M-D 262. My searching has brought me here as it seems a fair number of you have this camera and actively post about it, which, as I am sure you're aware, is rather uncommon...

...I would also love to discuss anything about these cameras with other users. Usage, how long you've owned it, what other cameras you use regularly, how much you paid, really anything.

Hi and welcome to the Forum. I trust you will find your time here interesting, informative and enjoyable.

First-off; actually no, I had no idea that it is uncommon for owners of these cameras to use them but as I only frequent this one Forum perhaps my view has been skewed by the membership here who, as a rule, do use their M-Ds.

I acquired my example towards the end of 2019 (I think?) as Ex-Demo - with a mere 114 shutter actuations IIRC - from one of the main London dealerships. The M10-D had just been released and the shop had no more use for the M-D as, by then, the model had been out of production for some time.

Can't remember what I paid but it was somewhere around 1/3 under 'ticket price'. At that time my #1 camera was an M9-P and the M-D was bought to be a spare / 2nd body but I soon realised that shooting with the latter was so much more productive, successful and downright enjoyable that, just a month or so afterwards, the M9 was traded-in against an M Monochrom.

These are the only two cameras I shoot with for my personal stuff and they will both normally come out with me every time I head off for some snapping.

Best of good fortune in finding one; they don't seem to come onto the market very often.

Philip.

Edited December 30, 2024 by pippy

[m-d262]

Thanks for the welcome, Philip.

I think I could have worded my original post a bit better with regard to the "uncommon" bit. I did not mean that it is uncommon to use these cameras, but that its uncommon to see a larger (relative) group of M-D users that are posting in one spot. For instance, the Leica subreddits, and other forums, like FM, have their M-D users (probably a cross section of users here) but it seems more diluted. Perhaps this is just a misconception of information from my focused searching, but either way, I am glad to be here and look forward to the discussions.

[Anthony MD]

5 hours ago, m-d262 said:

Hi all, I am new here and to Leica in general. After shooting with a large number of cameras over the past 15+ years, I have finally been bitten by the Leica bug. Specifically, I am looking to simplify as much as possible, which has brought me to the M-D 262. My searching has brought me here as it seems a fair number of you have this camera and actively post about it, which, as I am sure you're aware, is rather uncommon.

This looks like a good spot to hangout once I do finally get one, so I joined ahead of time. I am curious if the user with the "md-262" username is still active, if so, hey!

My hope is that someone knows of someone or someplace that is selling. 
I would also love to discuss anything about these cameras with other users. Usage, how long you've owned it, what other cameras you use regularly, how much you paid, really anything.

 

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[Anthony MD]

When I had enough of film, costs and waiting time, the MD 262 was on my only list.  Would have never gone digital with a screen.

So called KEH and asked them if they had one for sale.  Was shocked when they said they did, but it was a red al la carte put on by Leica in Germany.  I wanted black but after showing the red MD 262 to my wife, who loves red, bought it for me.

The cost with shipping and tax was $5,900.  The condition was Mint - and was CLA’d at the time of the al la carte…!

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Edited December 30, 2024 by Anthony MD

[pippy]

7 hours ago, m-d262 said:

...how much you paid...

Just for fun I've checked (and, incidentally, was rather surprised when I realised that I've been shooting with it for over five years).

I paid £3,490 for the body in December 2019.

When the M-D Typ-262 was released in May 2016 the price, here in the UK, was £4,650 so the reduction for it being Ex-Demo was 25% if the RRP didn't change between 2016 and 2019. If we factor-in UK Sterling inflation that £4,650 in 2016 becomes £5,023 by 2019 which equates to a 30% reduction and that figure ties-in with my recollection at the time.

 

2 hours ago, Anthony MD said:

 

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Interesting! €7,100 + €299 shipping so a total price of €7,400?

The price I paid for my Ex-Demo camera, allowing for inflation etc., equates to €5,229. The asking price of the camera advertised above is, relatively speaking, €2,100 over what I paid for mine...

Anyhow; having done the currency-converter thing that €7,400 equates to £6,135. Allowing for inflation (again) the original RRP in 2016 - £4,650 - works out to be £6,240. The outgoing cost for being able to use this camera, as advertised, has worked out to be £105 over an eight year timeframe. Roughly £13 per year. £1.10 per month. 3.5 New Pence per day.

Seems like a good deal to me.

Philip.

Edited December 30, 2024 by pippy

[pippy]

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Bizarre double-post!

P.

Edited December 31, 2024 by pippy

[m-d262]

4 hours ago, Anthony MD said:

I wanted black but after showing the red MD 262 to my wife, who loves red, bought it for me.

That red is definitely a statement! Is this a special edition or does Leica do a variety of colors al la carte? I wonder how many variants are out there.

With regard to the eBay post, I did see that listing. While it is in seemingly mint condition, and it does appear that seller has sold them for around the $7k (almost 8k all-in) price point, it feels high compared to some of the other sales I have seen recently (ranging from in the 4s through the low 6s). This camera, due to its rarity, I assume, seems to be worth what one is willing to pay.

Edited December 31, 2024 by m-d262

[Anthony MD]

41 minutes ago, m-d262 said:

That red is definitely a statement! Is this a special edition or does Leica do a variety of colors al la carte? I wonder how many variants are out there.

With regard to the eBay post, I did see that listing. While it is in seemingly mint condition, and it does appear that seller has sold them for around the $7k (almost 8k all-in) price point, it feels high compared to some of the other sales I have seen recently (ranging from in the 4s through the low 6s). This camera, due to its rarity, I assume, seems to be worth what one is willing to pay.

The MD 262 is not just a great camera but because of the rarity it’s also a great investment.
As I recall, the a la carte colors were not just red.  Leica doesn’t do it anymore…!

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Edited December 31, 2024 by Anthony MD

[Olaf_ZG]

7k€ is rather high. I know of a m60 plus summilux for 9k, though no original packaging. And for 7k one could also get the m10d I guess.

[Anthony MD]

1 hour ago, Olaf_ZG said:

7k€ is rather high. I know of a m60 plus summilux for 9k, though no original packaging. And for 7k one could also get the m10d I guess.

The M10-D deviates from the simplicity and pure “film experience” by adding a WIFI connection…📷

[pippy]

9 hours ago, Anthony MD said:

...As I recall, the a la carte colors were not just red.  Leica doesn’t do it anymore…

Here is a link showing some of the leather colour options when Leica were offering the 'Buy a Factory Refurbished M9' program. It was through this scheme that a fellow forumite ordered the silver-chrome M Monochrom wth Boysenberry Red leather and top-plate engravins which I now own;

https://www.slack.co.uk/m9-for-ccd-lovers.html

Philip.

Edited December 31, 2024 by pippy

[Anthony MD]

2 hours ago, pippy said:

Here is a link showing some of the leather colour options when Leica were offering the 'Buy a Factory Refurbished M9' program. It was through this scheme that a fellow forumite ordered the silver-chrome M Monochrom wth Boysenberry Red leather and top-plate engravins which I now own;

https://www.slack.co.uk/m9-for-ccd-lovers.html

Philip.

Picture please…📷

[Mrpete]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/326323445299?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ps4vYItCTPC&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=y7d7Ux3bRN2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[pippy]

9 minutes ago, Anthony MD said:

Picture please…📷

Not again, Surely?!

If you don't mind - so as I don't clog up the Forum's bandwidth posting the same image yet again! - I will send you two images and a bit of its history by PM...

Philip.

[pippy]

11 minutes ago, Mrpete said:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/326323445299?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ps4vYItCTPC&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=y7d7Ux3bRN2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

That's an M Typ-262, Mrpete, not an M-D Typ-262. The 'D' designation hints at a rather major difference between the two models; namely the lack of a screen on the latter.

🙂

Philip.

[Anthony MD]

27 minutes ago, Mrpete said:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/326323445299?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=ps4vYItCTPC&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=y7d7Ux3bRN2&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Be careful, the M-262 has a screen and it’s priced much lower than the MD 262…💵

Edited December 31, 2024 by Anthony MD

[Mrpete]

I know that, but what’s the difference in performance of the two cameras?

[Anthony MD]

6 minutes ago, Mrpete said:

I know that, but what’s the difference in performance of the two cameras?

For one, the MD 262 shoots only RAW, while the 262 shoots both JPEG and RAW…!

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Edited December 31, 2024 by Anthony MD
Top plate is aluminum not brass…!

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[m-d262]

36 minutes ago, Mrpete said:

I know that, but what’s the difference in performance of the two cameras?

I personally am drawn to the format of the M-D. Sure, you can get largely the same results on a 262, or heck, even a 240, by simply not using the screen, barring certain aspects like setting the ISO that require it; but that is not the point. These cameras, M-D, M10-D, M11-D, fill a specific niche that not many cameras can. For the price of an M-D (if one every comes up 😢) you could get a newer generation M10 with better low light performance and a slimmer profile, but again these specs aren't everything, at least not to everyone.