Homo Faber Posted January 21 Share #241 Posted January 21 Advertisement (gone after registration) vor 14 Minuten schrieb Derbyshire Man: I don't know if someone has already posted this but it ended up in a skip https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/beatles-console-found-discarded-skip-34003767 If you into that kind of stuff (like me ;-)) this is a good read: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Solid-State-Kenneth-Womack/dp/1501746855/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1BPEAZ7FTH8ES&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.sraOzBQ5BibqmI69hRE1mg.VD3Fex6sp8C5UZiHzxR9MiZl_k46MrjIV6sZsDeqgtU&dib_tag=se&keywords=Solid+State%3A+The+Story+of+Abbey+Road+and+the+End+of+the+Beatles&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1737459330&sprefix=solid+state+the+story+of+abbey+road+and+the+end+of+the+beatles+%2Caps%2C143&sr=8-1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #242 Posted January 21 2 hours ago, pgk said: This is rather like asking about viewing a photography by HCB. I've seen original prints in galleries, reproductions in his original, contemporary books (I have a copy of "The Decisive Moment" which would have been prepared and printed without the use of digital tecnology), reproductions in current versions (reprints of his books which will have used digital technology) and of course reproductions (digital obviously) online. Some of his photographs are extraordinary and the way they are viewed or prepared for viewing may have a marginal effect, but the subject, lighting and content are what matters. The 'golden age' of music or photography varies (as in it doesn't really exist) and has little to do with the technology and everything to do with content. I have a 'wire photo' from WWII which by modern standards is hardly of the best 'quality' but it is fascinating because of content. Ditto stereo prints from the 1850s and of course many modern photographs. It’s all too easy to mistake the technology as being essential for their interest but in reality, whilst it has an effect it’s often considered disproportionately important. The Golden Era or as you put it age of music does exist, the records on the shelf are not an illusion…! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #243 Posted January 21 (edited) 5 hours ago, Deeetona said: That is right. And if you look at what amateurs with superb equipment actually produce..."I am thinking about buying a Q3 43 but is the autofocus good enough to capture my kids running around the house?". Nothing against kids and/or autofocus. But most Leica users are over-equipped and from the many posts about Summilux-APOASPH-this and that, a lot of users are focussed on pixelpeeping and specs instead of working on their technique. Yes, in a gear-focused monobrand forum, that kind of angle is to be expected. That’s why I shoot with a MD 262 in full manual operation! No screen just a film like experience using digital…📷 Edited January 21 by Anthony MD 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #244 Posted January 21 12 hours ago, pippy said: Errmmm....don't give it to me... 😸 P. If you owned a Stradivarius, the odds you’d be a good violinist…! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #245 Posted January 21 (edited) 6 hours ago, Paulus said: Interpretation and playing off key has nothing to do with the way it is recorded, but with the way the musicians play, so the recording is irrelevant in this matter. to stay on subject: a bad photo will not be better with a superb camera, but will stay bad because of it’s inherent quality and craftmanship which is not available . If you cannot see that a picture is bad, there is no reason to discuss the camera or film or digital recording of this fact. Stating that the sound of a Stradivarius is always awsome, doesn’t really do much to me. It sounds like: “ With a M11 the photo is always awsome!” No it’s just a tool: when you use it wrongly the result will be of mediocre quality. Think about this, if you owned or played a Stradivarius that was recorded by a prodigious label, would the violinist playing that instrument be capable enough to expertly bring out the sonic attributes of a Stradivarius? My appreciation and enjoyment of music led me to attain the best recordings and good equipment to play those recordings having the sounds of those instruments in my listening room…🎙️ Edited January 21 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homo Faber Posted January 21 Share #246 Posted January 21 vor 24 Minuten schrieb Anthony MD: Think about this, if you owned or played a Stradivarius that was recorded by a prodigious label, would the violinist playing that instrument be capable enough to expertly bring out the sonic attributes of a Stradivarius…🎙️ As one can easily see from your numerous posts here, you are under the misconception that audiophile quality is a value in itself. I don't think so. In fact, audiophile quality does not exist in a vacuum but is linked to the musical content of what is being reproduced. This musical content, in turn, is the sum of the quality of the musical material and the quality of its performance. I don't think anyone enjoys listening to banal music (of course tastes differ here) on the best stereo system in the world and/or a performance by poor musicians. This is much harder to bear than the reverse, when emotionally moving music played by great musicians is played on a mono portable radio. The ideal, of course, is to hear great music played by great musicians on a great stereo system. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #247 Posted January 21 Advertisement (gone after registration) 1 minute ago, Homo Faber said: As one can easily see from your numerous posts here, you are under the misconception that audiophile quality is a value in itself. I don't think so. In fact, audiophile quality does not exist in a vacuum but is linked to the musical content of what is being reproduced. This musical content, in turn, is the sum of the quality of the musical material and the quality of its performance. I don't think anyone enjoys listening to banal music (of course tastes differ here) on the best stereo system in the world and/or a performance by poor musicians. This is much harder to bear than the reverse, when emotionally moving music played by great musicians is played on a mono portable radio. The ideal, of course, is to hear great music played by great musicians on a great stereo system. Actually I love music enough to go to this length to enjoy it…🎙️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #248 Posted January 21 So why do photographers want to make their digital images look like film anyway…📷🎞️ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 21 Share #249 Posted January 21 vor 2 Stunden schrieb Anthony MD: If you owned a Stradivarius, the odds you’d be a good violinist…! No, the odds would be that yoo would have enough funds to finance such an instrument. A lot of people I know play such and instrument but do not own it, but borrow it from foundations. to stay on the subject: the odds that you are a good photographer are not influensed by having the money to invest in expensive equippement. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #250 Posted January 21 5 minutes ago, Paulus said: No, the odds would be that yoo would have enough funds to finance such an instrument. A lot of people I know play such and instrument but do not own it, but borrow it from foundations. to stay on the subject: the odds that you are a good photographer are not influensed by having the money to invest in expensive equippement. The point was if you owned or played a Stradivarius to record on a well known label not to own one because you could…🥸 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 21 Share #251 Posted January 21 vor 2 Stunden schrieb Anthony MD: Playing off key might be just an opinion caused by inferior sources. Maybe, but when one of the greatest violinists plays one of the best Stradivarius violins ever made will sound amazing using the right equipment and recordings…🎙️ Playing off key is not “ an opinion” it is a controllable and measurable fact. It’s difficult to discus facts with ones that mistake facts for opinions. During one lesson a student sang something wrong. I said:” you do it wrong, do it better!” She said: “ It’s physically and technically impossible to articulate this better and clearer, because the mass and the speed of the prunounciation work against it in a physical way. she thought she was right. Because she could not imagine it possible to do it better technically. So I showed her. She asked:” But that’s impossible,how can you acchief this, it’s inpossible!” “ I said:” milage, practice and believing that other can be better than you have ever imagined. “ When I say, something is off key, you better believe me. If you cannot hear it, or do not understand what I am saying. That’s no problem to me, but for my students it is a problem, because when they do an audition, they will fail. Music industry is a very hard buiseness. Being off key is relative to the rest. If the rest of the orchestra is good and one player is off key, it’s in our way if recording not possible to mend it with a “ good recording” . We lost recording days and money because the man behind the knobs said:” it’s good!” . But the recording was off key in various ways and never released. Hundred thousands of Euro’s gone up in winds. Some recordings will get released because people want to and the buyers just don’t care or just cannot hear it. It’s my loss that I can hear it and their happyness that they can’t I imagine. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #252 Posted January 21 7 minutes ago, Anthony MD said: The point was if you owned or played a Stradivarius to record on a well known label not to own one because you could…🥸 In other words, my obsession with stringed instruments compelled my acquisition of the best recordings to have the closest representation of, let’s say a Stradivarius, to listen to in my home without going attending a concert…🎻 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #253 Posted January 21 1 minute ago, Paulus said: Playing off key is not “ an opinion” it is a controllable and measurable fact. It’s difficult to discus facts with ones that mistake facts for opinions. During one lesson a student sang something wrong. I said:” you do it wrong, do it better!” She said: “ It’s physically and technically impossible to articulate this better and clearer, because the mass and the speed of the prunounciation work against it in a physical way. she thought she was right. Because she could not imagine it possible to do it better technically. So I showed her. She asked:” But that’s impossible,how can you acchief this, it’s inpossible!” “ I said:” milage, practice and believing that other can be better than you have ever imagined. “ When I say, something is off key, you better believe me. If you cannot hear it, or do not understand what I am saying. That’s no problem to me, but for my students it is a problem, because when they do an audition, they will fail. Music industry is a very hard buiseness. Being off key is relative to the rest. If the rest of the orchestra is good and one player is off key, it’s in our way if recording not possible to mend it with a “ good recording” . We lost recording days and money because the man behind the knobs said:” it’s good!” . But the recording was off key in various ways and never released. Hundred thousands of Euro’s gone up in winds. Some recordings will get released because people want to and the buyers just don’t care or just cannot hear it. It’s my loss that I can hear it and their happyness that they can’t I imagine. Ok, my listening experience with the Bath Festival Chamber Orchestra using a Stradivarius was to hear the violin played by a great violinist. I guess the sound of a great violin was more important than the performance…🎻 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #254 Posted January 21 I’m in no position or qualified to criticize professional players as to whether they are off key. My position is just to relax and enjoy what musicians worked hard to accomplish in a recording to have others appreciate music they share to those like me…🎙️ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgk Posted January 21 Share #255 Posted January 21 3 hours ago, Anthony MD said: The Golden Era or as you put it age of music does exist, the records on the shelf are not an illusion…! That's just an opinion and not a fact. I disagree which is of course my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #256 Posted January 21 9 minutes ago, pgk said: That's just an opinion and not a fact. I disagree which is of course my opinion. Just an opinion…🤓 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418225-why-do-photographers-want-to-make-their-digital-images-look-like-film-anyway%E2%80%A6/?do=findComment&comment=5743986'>More sharing options...
Paulus Posted January 21 Share #257 Posted January 21 (edited) vor 18 Minuten schrieb Anthony MD: Just an opinion…🤓 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Long time ago, Gustav Leonard told us a joke. His way of connecting with his orchestra. He was a very noble man, a personal friend of our Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands. The Joke: " A rabbit and a snake were in the bushes. The rabbit heard something and shouted enthusiastically , in a way only rabbits can do that ( And of course Hugh Lawry ) " Who's there!" The snake replied: .... " well.... , let's guess. " The rabbits said : " Well yeah, a game, I love a game! " I'll begin: " I'm furry, I have long ears and I hop." " Easy" , the snake said, preparing for lunch ; " you're a rabbit ! " "That's right! "the rabbit said: " Now me!" " Do you have a fur? " " No " the snake said? ' " Ok" the rabbit said, " what about your ears? " The snake replied: " I have no ear... " "Aha! that's also easy " the rabbit said: " You must be a conductor!!" Edited January 21 by Paulus 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted January 21 Share #258 Posted January 21 2 hours ago, Anthony MD said: ...I guess the sound of a great violin was more important than the performance…🎻... I'm not sure if you are being serious or having a laugh? I'd far rather hear Itzhak Perlman playing a student-level Yamaha than A.N. Other playing a Strad. It's not even open to question (IMO). I seem to remember viewing a clip where several 'experts' were gathered together to listen to a well-respected violinist - hidden from view behind a screen - perform the same piece on several violins including a Stradivarius. I'm hazy on the details so will see if I can find it as it's quite illuminating... Philip/ 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #259 Posted January 21 1 hour ago, Paulus said: Long time ago, Gustav Leonard told us a joke. His way of connecting with his orchestra. He was a very noble man, a personal friend of our Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands. The Joke: " A rabbit and a snake were in the bushes. The rabbit heard something and shouted enthusiastically , in a way only rabbits can do that ( And of course Hugh Lawry ) " Who's there!" The snake replied: .... " well.... , let's guess. " The rabbits said : " Well yeah, a game, I love a game! " I'll begin: " I'm furry, I have long ears and I hop." " Easy" , the snake said, preparing for lunch ; " you're a rabbit ! " "That's right! "the rabbit said: " Now me!" " Do you have a fur? " " No " the snake said? ' " Ok" the rabbit said, " what about your ears? " The snake replied: " I have no ear... " "Aha! that's also easy " the rabbit said: " You must be a conductor!!" In the “off key” issue, where does the responsibility go…🥸 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418225-why-do-photographers-want-to-make-their-digital-images-look-like-film-anyway%E2%80%A6/?do=findComment&comment=5744054'>More sharing options...
Anthony MD Posted January 21 Author Share #260 Posted January 21 (edited) 11 minutes ago, pippy said: I'm not sure if you are being serious or having a laugh? I'd far rather hear Itzhak Perlman playing a student-level Yamaha than A.N. Other playing a Strad. It's not even open to question (IMO). I seem to remember viewing a clip where several 'experts' were gathered together to listen to a well-respected violinist - hidden from view behind a screen - perform the same piece on several violins including a Stradivarius. I'm hazy on the details so will see if I can find it as it's quite illuminating... Philip/ The Bath Festival Chamber Orchestra so happened to be recorded on an audiophile ASD LP. That’s why we all have the freedom to make our own choices whether which LP or other source to buy…💵 Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited January 21 by Anthony MD Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/418225-why-do-photographers-want-to-make-their-digital-images-look-like-film-anyway%E2%80%A6/?do=findComment&comment=5744058'>More sharing options...
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