Guest stnami Posted September 15, 2006 Share #41 Posted September 15, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wayne those autochrome images stll require colour fragmentation as well as, ie the hues are still too unifrmed and contolled. LAB colour masks has a greater chance of mimicking or a really crappy small foven sensor set and a fantastic lens!! Lightroom with lab curves(as in Raw Developer) would be nifty Borrowed Margulis's LAB colour book for a few clues, the jury is out. As far as his book is concerned somewhat overrated, could easily be knocked down to 100 odd pages, a lot of repetition and realism gamesmanship ps my D2 is winging its way back downunder so it will be back to the playground.... the D3 well it is something else maybe D is short for the dickhead the third accountant who said lets play ape,,,, sigh I will probably buy a D-LUX 3 or LX2( pockets full of noise at 10 on the richter scale} because I have a few experiments to carry out, ( marni come back ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted September 15, 2006 Posted September 15, 2006 Hi Guest stnami, Take a look here smokeysun and colour a revival. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
Guest stnami Posted September 17, 2006 Share #42 Posted September 17, 2006 Wayne I just finished reading Tao of Photography, a great looking book a pity it doesn;t match its presentation in content. A bit iffity and a bit too clever for its own good thus becomes somewhat pedestian in nature. Hello which way to Woodstock I lost my way in the baseball stadium I am sure that for some it fulls a gap in their search and quest but for me it is a dust collector. Ah well all is worth a peruse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted September 17, 2006 Share #43 Posted September 17, 2006 Shit...You've got a point!....Where's Mani? Can we get him back? You always need these guys on the edge of the bubble to define the borders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 17, 2006 Share #44 Posted September 17, 2006 Last I heard was that he chucked a wobbly and went of into the Artic sunset mummbling something about Peter Rabbit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 17, 2006 Share #45 Posted September 17, 2006 hi imants, i agree with you about the tao of photography. (did you ever look at shooting from the hip? johnny stilleto more your kind of guy.) but what interested me was the difference between the author's own photos and those examples he chose from the greats. everything seems the same, yet the latter grab you and make you remember them, whereas the former don't do it, not being bad but not grand. what do you think made the difference? by the way, thanks for the tip on alex webb. i know you didn't like his content, but i find him the one street photographer (tho he works for ntl. geo.) who gets color to be indispensible. i think he does it by image overlay. in other words, he almost always has forground and background action, objects, etc., as well as in crossings, to echo his theme, almost every pic is divided into two scenes, as though by a fence. any further observations on him? i have four books: amazon, crossings, haiti, and florida. i wonder if sean knows his works. would be interesting in his coming article on street photography. mostly i just think color doesn't work for it. alex has got an approach that works (for me). yes, rob, i've thought about mani a number of times. he had a kind of innocent passion which we don't see much. also i liked ruben osuno's (sp?) observations on studying movies. he doesn't seem to have made the transition. i wonder if maybe they've stopped using leicas. a lot of alternatives out there, this month more than ever. for example, i still miss a flip-out screen. the various settings for default situations in jpeg not very satisfying and the setting of custom takes too many button pushings. Etc. i spent last night going through pbase camera examples. something like the sony R1 seems to do a very nice job. but i'm still stuck on the d2 and d-lux 2. and the black d-lux 3 looks gorgeous, though i may not upgrade (the noise factor). wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 18, 2006 Share #46 Posted September 18, 2006 This site may interest you Wayne a bit slow and clumsy to start etc but interesting Âëàäèìèð Êëàâèõî-Òåëåïíåâ. Ïåðñîíàëüíûé ñàéò. Vladimir Clavijo-Telepnev. Personal Site. The two Tao boys Gross and Shapiro talked and thought about photography the others did it, mybe the want to be the Richard Greer's of photography I should write a book myself "Stnami's way: Photography for the obviously gifted, a herbalist's view" no I am too busy with rewrites of my art texts and setting up these workshops etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 18, 2006 Share #47 Posted September 18, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Wane the real problem is that Gross's images are structural and they are writing about the structures of the narrative. away away from the lost tao brothers and about colour ...............then again any camera takes a good colour image but how may take a good B&W as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 18, 2006 Share #48 Posted September 18, 2006 hi imants, this means gross isn't putting the structure to use, ie. expressing an emotion or idea with it? i almost always hate it in theater classes when they talk too much about craft. i've learned what ramana maharshi said, 'put one thing in practice.' a few simple things put in practice usually takes care of the craft end of things. now it's a matter of perception, ideas, and intuition. watched the helmut newton dvd 'frames from the edge' again last night. i think you'd enjoy it. it takes something special to be a star. the russian site really interesting, lots of beautiful stuff. what strikes me after browsing thru 'seizing the light' again yesterday (the book used in the history of photography class) is that this fellow has absorbed the history of photography to an amazing degree and is able to use styles, etc. in whatever way he needs them for a particular project, yet seems to retain his own touch. that's quite a trick. in terms of mastery of craft, he's certainly got it. frustrated with my own photos, i've just done a series of re-creations: old paintings updated Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com it's not photography, per se, except all of us with digital are using computers not just on our desks but in the field. the m8 is a $5,000 computer. thanks for the site tip. and the tao thoughts. wayne ps. any camera can take a 'colorful' picture. that's not the same as deeply expressive color. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 22, 2006 Share #49 Posted September 22, 2006 Interesting that an image of the twin towers by Jerry Spagnoli (a daguerreotype) caused a bit of fuss. ah the don't do brigade a bunch of philistines see and scroll down The Online Photographer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted September 22, 2006 Share #50 Posted September 22, 2006 Yea, so at the end of the day, if you are just cutting around, how do yo do in a Nikon FM? Not so ramdom excellence with Kodachrome huh.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 22, 2006 Share #51 Posted September 22, 2006 You probably have seen me with my pocket premo press series camera?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted September 22, 2006 Share #52 Posted September 22, 2006 Wayne those autochrome images stll require colour fragmentation as well as, ie the hues are still too unifrmed and contolled. LAB colour masks has a greater chance of mimicking or a really crappy small foven sensor set and a fantastic lens!! Lightroom with lab curves(as in Raw Developer) would be nifty Imants, I've been thinking about your coment about the color fragmenting in Autochromes. I am wondering if playing with the color curves tools can produce an out of sync rendition of the colors. The dyes in Autochrome certainly didn't have the uniform ranges of modern dyes. The simplist test might be to call up the red curve and shorten the range (increase the contrast) and see what happens or do the oposite. Doing it in lab would be the same. Throwing one or two colors out of sync would throw all the derivative hues out, too. If this was done after chroma noise was added, it might also change the grain appearances. Your experience with color and art goes well beyond mine, so any insights on what you see in the Autochrome color space would be a big help on where to start screwing around:) Wayne, I just got the current issue of Lens Works magazine and the editorial sounds like it belongs here. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 23, 2006 Share #53 Posted September 23, 2006 Hi Bob Lab is a bit different as luminence and colour don't coexist as in RGB. My hunch is to mix colour working spaces and profiles along with desaturating the magentas, then chuck the lot into painter ( no pun intended see image), tweek and play return to CS2,stuff up luminence, add a warming filter and finding the time to do this methodically. My D2 is winging its way back to Ritehereinmybakyard so I wll wait and try a few things noise meanwhile another example though the French photographers in WW I seem to have the most interesting results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stunsworth Posted September 23, 2006 Share #54 Posted September 23, 2006 HI Imants, some of those WW1 shots are amazing. As much as I love b&w there are times when colour can give an alternative way of seeing a period. I assume you know about this site of Russian colour photographs from the begining of the 20th century... The Empire That Was Russia: The Prokudin-Gorskii Photographic Record Recreated (A Library of Congress Exhibition) One picked at random... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/4082-smokeysun-and-colour-a-revival/?do=findComment&comment=56516'>More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 23, 2006 Share #55 Posted September 23, 2006 Thanks for the site Steve I had seen it before maybe Bob and others will get a bit out of it in their search. To me the colours are still uniform and predictable unlike the French war images...... Maybe it is time to build a camera and try it for real Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 26, 2006 Share #56 Posted September 26, 2006 hi imants, i've seen some sigma foveon images i liked very much. what makes them different in their color? i know the sensor constructed quite differently, but what is the result? the new dp1 interests me, tho f/4 probably the deal-breaker. curious how much they'll cost. wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 26, 2006 Share #57 Posted September 26, 2006 The slow lens is not a worry as f8 to f16 are my preferences as long as the lens is ok, I am interested in the sensor results if there is enough play/ difference with the hues. I would be particulary interested in the noise if it is different to the bayer noise (looks flat) which I am not imptessed with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 27, 2006 Share #58 Posted September 27, 2006 hi imants, wish they'd tell us more about it. since it's being kept behind glass, i wonder if they're really finished with it. it does seem like a great streeet camera. and speaking of that, here's a pic of the johnny stilleto book. he advocates shooting a lot from the hip without looking in a viewfinder. most of the talk here about framing exactly, but with digital you can fire away and take your chances. i like doing it. i've had fun dumping color for a couple of days. i realized i had a theme: pictures inside pictures, images inside images. it's something i've done all summer. here's the results: d-lux 2 image in the image (b&w) summer 06 Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com . color feels extremely frustrating until you find a pallet that will serve a symbolic function, as b&w does automatically. good luck with your autochrome quest. i'll have to scan a couple of real beauties from the lumiere brothers. i think it does fit your desire for a sculptural quality in pictures. sure works with those WW1 photos. keep us up to date on the dp1. i, frankly, love working with a compact! wayne Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/4082-smokeysun-and-colour-a-revival/?do=findComment&comment=58974'>More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 27, 2006 Share #59 Posted September 27, 2006 Hi Wayne I should have a good read of that book, but then I am not a fan of the 'blind sniper style' nor the carpet bombers union. As far as dumping colour, nothing wrong with seeing colour as B&W, its actually difficult to understand the tonal values of colour hues, though if you set the White Balance to B&W you can check the liveview on the D2 Talking about the D2 mine came back today, new sensor, new rubber and the lens looks brand new, though the left the black texta on the body which is good, thanks Leica did a fantastic job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 27, 2006 Share #60 Posted September 27, 2006 People have reported color accuracy issues with the Foveon as the silicon sensors do not render the colours properly ( I hear that blue skies chuck wobblies) Plus the eye works nothing like the the Fovean chip but then again nothing like the bayer chip either, so this could be a bit iffy for those who are into photography and its ability to translate colour . I am looking foreward to just playing, then again the camera is probably 6-8 months before it hits the shops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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