smokysun Posted September 1, 2006 Share #21 Posted September 1, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) hi bob, thanks for the evaluation. next week i should get my book on the history of autochrome from amazon. we're really pioneers in the digital realm! did you download the lab plugin above? i played with it by simply hitting the random button and got beautiful color in one picture and not so good in another. this morning i played with bryce 5, the 3d program which is being offered free thru sept 6th at DAZ Productions - 3D Models, 3D Content, and 3D Software i first got it four years ago and played with it a lot, then took the turn into photography. playing with it this morning and then going out for a walk and picture-taking i realized this program a good training ground for photographers. complicated, but simply play with the presets and it will sharpen your sense of form, space, and color, cause you're dealing with landscapes, objects, trees, etc in an abstract way. it's at least worth downloading for use at some later date when you've time to experiment. hi imants, could you post that autochrome from the old forum? it was very striking. also, i'm sure you know the bryce program but this might be a chance for your students to grab a free copy. seems like it would be a good training ground for sculpture as well. wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Ross Posted September 2, 2006 Share #22 Posted September 2, 2006 Hi Wayne, Here is a link to a site showing the grain pattern for Autochrome. Captured in colour: The autochrome I did find the WWI image that Imants posted along with a bunch of other WWI pictures, but I didn't sanve the link. I just Googled "Autochrome". Let us know what you find in that book. I don't get to use the PS plug ins, since I use Picture Windows Pro for a photo editor. On color: From the earliest time mankind has associated color with emotions....seeing red....green with jel....blue mood and on and on. It would seem natural for us photographers to carry that over to our craft in our personal preferences about saturation, warm and cool hues and even color balance. Various color spaces, wether scientific or artistic, would most likey have a meta level correspondance to the emotional environment of the photographer, either at the moment of capture or during the creative post processing time. Recognizing this and using it as Imants suggests with his new color space would give us a tool to vary the emotional content or impact of an image. With the SciFi Vulcans of no emotions who experience the world with intelect and logic, at one end and our very real special people with Down's Syndrome who perceive the world emotionally at the expence of the intellect, at the other, we are the shades of gray between wondering what it is all about.....and how to use it in expressing ourselves. Colors might be good symbolic codes or a language for the emotional experience. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted September 2, 2006 Share #23 Posted September 2, 2006 Hi Wayne, This is my current attempt at the Autochrome look. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! When you get your book, you can tell me where it needs tweaking. Bob Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! When you get your book, you can tell me where it needs tweaking. Bob ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/4082-smokeysun-and-colour-a-revival/?do=findComment&comment=41774'>More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 2, 2006 Share #24 Posted September 2, 2006 autochrome..... the link back to wat that is never broken The Heritage of the Great War / First World War 1914 - 1918 on a different note a foveon chip and a leica lens would be interesting combination for colour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 2, 2006 Share #25 Posted September 2, 2006 Wayne I am not a fan of Bryce (a bit one dimensional image wise) too much in the realm of graphic art and fantasy. I don't really think that autochrome is about noise it really is about separating colour hues that are unstable due to the process. The answer digitally is partially in small sensor cameras with superb glass for colour rendition and printing the images on rag paper. Some of the original nikon coolpixes went well on the way with this track Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 2, 2006 Share #26 Posted September 2, 2006 hi imants, that's an incredible series of pictures. strange after seeing so much b/w. no question, color makes it more present. (if you haven't seen 'a very long engagement' i think you'll be impressed with both the color and the vision of ww1. very like these pics, tho more lush. but the brutality of the trenches really comes thru.) my first love: children's books, both the words and the pictures, so i'm pretty naturally drawn toward graphics. i'll attach a couple of bryce pictures from yesterday. techno-fantasy doesn't interest me, but something closer to the organic and everyday does. and you can always combine the bryce with photographs. hi bob, nice link for the autochrome. here's the link to the amazon book: Amazon.com: The Art of the Autochrome: The Birth of Color Photography: Books: Merry A. Foresta,John Wood i'll give you feedback after i see it. i think you're on the money about the personal approach or use of color. take a look at larry burrow's 'vietnam' which has both color and black and white. and also 'photographs for the tsar' pictures of russia pre-ww1 with both black and white and many in color. the most expensive book i've bought is 'falkland road' by mary ellen mark. i think her use of color very distinctive and expresses how she felt about these women. the color is very lurid compared to most books. yet very moving. there's simply something about color that makes the subject more present. at the same time i'm now convinced the most important thing is the photographer's empathy or identification with the subject. looked through e.j.bellocq's storyville portraits and atget's gardens, and just amazed at how they were able to get these pictures. in auditioning an actor should always play the love card, and i think that's what animates most great photos. a love of the subject. thanks to you both for the thoughts and the links. wayne Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/4082-smokeysun-and-colour-a-revival/?do=findComment&comment=41963'>More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 3, 2006 Share #27 Posted September 3, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) ps. forgot to mention the bryce 5 can be very time-consuming. after two days i'm a bit bored. went back to some old photos. do you have any suggestions for the color in this one? and are there any general rules that can be applied? Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/4082-smokeysun-and-colour-a-revival/?do=findComment&comment=42503'>More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 4, 2006 Share #28 Posted September 4, 2006 .... asking yourself what is the role of a photographer, the illustrator,the graffiti artist the image maker as one bleeds the boundaries between a free for all and goes beyond history and tradition as their only value is in pester power Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 4, 2006 Share #29 Posted September 4, 2006 well, i guess our job is pester power. (see the mascot below.) drives me crazy that i can get fun color going far out, but that in a photograph that has to 'look like a photograph' i can only do the ordinary! d-lux 2 fair paintings 2 Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com ps. this one's a mixture of attempts: d-lux 2 august 06 Photo Gallery by wayne pease at pbase.com Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/4082-smokeysun-and-colour-a-revival/?do=findComment&comment=43358'>More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 5, 2006 Share #30 Posted September 5, 2006 .well we all try to make the ordinary(our raw material)look otherwise painters have more access to recreate directly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 13, 2006 Share #31 Posted September 13, 2006 hi imants & bob, i figured there was no sense fighting the tide of new equipment to be launched. ah, but i've just started using the new paint shop pro photo XI (my imaging processor of choice: cheap, using all the photoshop plugins, but won't handle raw - as far as i can tell). they've what they call a time machine, easy to duplicate various processes, and blow me down if it doesn't include autochrome! i've just played with it for a few minutes, and i think pics will take some adjustment, but here are a couple of examples. one thing, the history of autochome book has 75 plates and there's an incredibly wide variety of effects. the lumiere brothers themselves seem to have been the best at it. i'd love to have a book of only theirs. wayne Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/4082-smokeysun-and-colour-a-revival/?do=findComment&comment=49141'>More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 13, 2006 Share #32 Posted September 13, 2006 Yea it is a bit of a material world here at the moment though there is some photographic talk on the Photo forum led by people like VIc, Sefan just to name two Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted September 14, 2006 Share #33 Posted September 14, 2006 Hi Wayne, That is cool. I'll have to check the copy of paint shop that I still have on my computer to see what it might have. One aspect of the Autochrome style was that it used the cameras of the time and probably long exposures. That means large format type scenes...posed people....formal landscape/cityscapes subjects. See if that is true in the plates in the book and if so give us an Autochrome of Chico City Hall (Sunday morning for no people)......:-) Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 14, 2006 Share #34 Posted September 14, 2006 hi bob, i'll check on those large landscapes and take a pic of city hall! a lot of still-lifes, of course. the time-machine an addition in the new psp that came out this week. it's fun, starting with the earliest processes and thru the sixties, about seven of them, i think. you can upgrade (maybe) if you're interested. corel has really redesigned it since buying the program from jasc. (and corel is on a roll after re-structuring.) i think it puts you in the ballpark and then you can do more, adding noise, etc. i think the history book might really be something to put on your list. (or get it from a university library.) hi imants, the photo forum, when i first joined, seemed most interested in individual pictures and not more general questions like the ones we've been addressing. going this way i've picked up some good facts and principles. (and that crime book from sydney really inspired some fun, dark, comic plays this summer. thanks for that treasure tip.) for example, i've been looking at a lot of fashion stuff, as that's where photographers seem to experiment the most. otherwise, i love street and other genres in black and white where there's a mystery of transformation. you don't seem to care for too much fantasy but it's that other world seen in ordinary situations in this one that intrigue me. for straight stuff, i just read sam abell's 'seeing gardens' it's the one book of his affordable and i recommend it. as he said in another book, he's looking for a particular kind of photo and keeps his equipment simple. and if you love gardens, you'll love this book. a concept work made over a period of thirty years. everybody says you need a project and i think that's certainly a key. wayne ps. i expect a lot of converts to digital with the m8. it's expensive enough (and supposedly completely designed and made by leica) to satisfy the leica fans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 14, 2006 Share #35 Posted September 14, 2006 Wayne I am not a fan of Bryce (a bit one dimensional image wise) too much in the realm of graphic art and fantasy. I don't really think that autochrome is about noise it really is about separating colour hues that are unstable due to the process. The answer digitally is partially in small sensor cameras with superb glass for colour rendition and printing the images on rag paper. Some of the original nikon coolpixes went well on the way with this track That's very interesting Imants. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 14, 2006 Share #36 Posted September 14, 2006 hi sean, what have you got coming up for us? i hope they sent you an m8 so you can break out of the starting gate on friday! wayne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 14, 2006 Share #37 Posted September 14, 2006 Sean I will get back to you on the colour fragmentation after the M8 Hoo Ha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 14, 2006 Share #38 Posted September 14, 2006 I'll have new material on the site about new Leica products at 00:01 GMT. <G> Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 15, 2006 Share #39 Posted September 15, 2006 ps. bob, corel has put up a demo of the new psp http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=CorelCom/ProcessLayout&lc=en&ppg=CorelCorp/Trials/Login&pid=1156169694605&cid=1156169693940 might as well give it a try since we're all on a new equipment roll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokysun Posted September 15, 2006 Share #40 Posted September 15, 2006 and i played with the autochrome, applying it several times. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/4082-smokeysun-and-colour-a-revival/?do=findComment&comment=50357'>More sharing options...
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