Q3 one year in: review

[Tobers]

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You can find sample pics at the end of this page. Any questions, just reply here and I’ll try and answer.

Now my Leica Q3 is one year old, and very well used, it’s a good time to do a comprehensive review of this little camera. It’s only once you’ve used a camera in real-world, highly stressed situations that you get a real understanding of its capabilities. I’ve had plenty of those situations in the last twelve months! Here’s what I think.

Happy first birthday. My well-used Leica Q3 is one year old.

Background

I got my Leica Q3 on launch day. How? I asked Red Dot Cameras in London if they had a waiting list many months before the official announcement. They hadn’t started a list, so I asked them to take my name and set up a list, which they did and stuck me at the top of it. Months of waiting followed as I did the usual thing and read every rumour and shred of information before release. On launch day I was in London to collect it. The cost was £5,400 with a spare battery.

Previously I had a QP, the “special edition” first version of the first Q, and had fallen in love with it. Why? The lens, and the very unique image rendering it delivered at f/1.7, was very appealing to me. The physical controls, build quality, small-ish size and built-in viewfinder were other big plus points.

I was tempted by the Q2, but decided to hold out and wait a generation for the Q3 which I predicted would have a larger sensor and some new functionality. In the meantime I sold my QP to release some cash for my motorbiking addiction, and filled the gap with a Fuji X100V which shares many of the same traits such as physical controls and a fixed lens.

When rumours of the Q3 were becoming more solid, I decided it was for me and switched back to Leica-land, selling the X100V at a small profit.

Why Spend So Much On A Camera?

An excellent question. One that can be rationalised with convoluted “price per use” logic, or what good value it is compared with a Leica M and three Summilux lenses. But it remains an extremely expensive item. In reality I wanted it, had worked hard to save the money to afford it, and knew I’d be using it extensively on this Skye At Night project. And I loved using my QP. Getting personal happiness and satisfaction from the use of an exquisite object is important to me.

Emotional justification aside, I also knew I had a lot of people photography coming up for the project, and wanted to use one camera setup for the majority of the shoots to give me a consistent look throughout.

Why Not Use The Sony A7III?

I also have a Sony A7III, and a couple of lenses. It’s a very efficient and capable camera, but I really dislike using it. It’s fiddly, the controls and menus are not intuitive, and it is inelegant.

For sure it gets the job done. It is technically excellent, but has no character. Do I need character in a camera? Not really. Do I want character in a camera? Yes definitely.

I could have saved over £4000 and bought a Sony 24mm f/1.4 lens to put on the A7III, and got similar framing and focus dropoff (bokeh) as the Leica. My purely rational and logical calculation was that I needed a second camera for redundancy, didn’t like the Sony, and the Q3 was it. Good enough for me.

What Have I Been Using The Q3 For?

80% of my use has been for what I call “environmental portraits” for my Skye At Night book project, where I am photographing people in their workplace, home or just enjoying themselves. The inclusion of their surroundings is important to provide context to the images. Typically I’d light the images with one or more flashes (it’s all about Skye, at night, so often light levels are low).

The other 20% has been for night-time landscape photographs. I usually use my Sony A7III for most of these as I need a 16mm focal length (the Leica is 28mm minimum). If I had a wider lens on the Q3 I’d be using it instead of the Sony.

When photographing people, there’s typically a lot of pressure. Time is frequently short. Whoever I’m photographing is usually working as well so hasn’t got lots of time to do lots of poses and try different locations. As a result, my workflow has to be extremely fast and efficient, and I need to be able to use the camera without it getting in my way. The worst thing is for me to be faffing about in the camera menus looking for some obscure setting. It doesn’t look professional or inspire confidence in my subjects.

Best To Worst Features In Order

Rather than having a binary pros and cons table, I have decided to create a list of features and capabilities starting at what I like most and ending in what I’m not keen on. This in order, from “best” to “worst”. Note that “worst” may not necessarily be bad i.e. a con, it’s just a thing that I like less than the thing above it in the list.

• Lens optics. The 28mm f/1.7 lens on the Q series is phenomenal. Why? Aside from being incredibly sharp, the way it handles images at f/1.7 is very unique to my eye. The closest I’ve seen is the Leica 24mm Summilux-M, which is several times more expensive. There’s something very special about a wide aperture wide angle lens. It makes environmental portraiture a breeze, allowing subject isolation through focus falloff of the background simplicity itself. Amazing.

• Image quality. Closely related to the lens, and the pairing with the sensor, I’ve been very impressed with the images coming out of the Q3. Why? The amount of detail is fantastic. The flexibility for editing afterwards is very good. You can pull back underexposed areas very effectively to which is great for night photography (see ISO later in this list though). The RAW files are rich and need very little tweaking.

• Controls. Simple, visible, minimal, easy. Just what you want from a camera, and so refreshing compared to pretty much everything else out there on the market. The only thing I’d like to see added is a visible physical ISO dial so a simple glance down at the top of the camera reveals ISO, shutter speed and aperture. It takes a short time to get familiar with the controls, after which the camera becomes an extension of the body. Just great. Leica do this so well.

• Size. It’s small(ish). Given the flexibility of digital zoom (see next point) with the large pixel count, you are essentially carrying a 28-75mm or 28-90mm camera with you, with amazing image quality. The packaging is excellent. I can throw it (gently) into a bag (well padded) and barely notice it, which makes things a lot simpler on location or going up a mountain.

• Digital zoom. The 60mp pixel count provides a lot of flexibility when it comes to in-camera digital zoom or digital cropping. The implementation of this on the Q series has always been really good in my view. I like the frameline concept, being a recovering M-user. The fact that the exposure reading is taken from the scene within the framelines is very clever. And it give you a lot of flexibility for framing. I use digital zoom a lot, and even at 90mm, the resulting images are full of detail. I skipped the Q2 to wait for the Q3 for this reason. The higher resolution sensor makes the Q3 a very flexible all-in-one camera. I have one of the rear thumb buttons (the sticky-out one) set to trigger the digital zoom so it’s fast and easy to use.

• Build quality. Tank-like. Solid. Everything clicks beautifully. It feels heavy in the hand, like it is hewn from a solid block. Leica did that with the T and TL series by the way - wonderful little cameras. My Q3 has taken quite a bit of abuse in the heat of on-site shoots and just eats it all up. The only thing I’d nit-pick about is the USB port door, which feels a bit flimsy. I’m waiting for it to fall off.

• Fast shutter sync. For someone who works with flash a lot, fast shutter sync is really important. Because the Q3 has a leaf shutter in the lens, it can work with flash at much higher shutter speeds than other cameras. This means that I can take a flash-lit shot with a wide aperture and low ISO in light that would normally overwhelm another camera that would need a much higher shutter speed than it can use with flash. The result is much more interesting looking flashed images with proper depth of field fall-off due to the use of wide apertures.

• Menus. Starting to get into good, but trending to just OK territory now. The menus on the Q3 are really nicely laid out, and a lot simpler than pretty much anything else. I’ve lost track of the number of times I’ve got lost in Sony, Olympus or Fuji menus and not been able to find some obscure setting that has magically reset itself. However, the Leica Q3 is starting to suffer from a bit of “menu stuffing”. They are getting a bit too nested, too fiddly and too complex. They need to take care to keep things as simple as possible.

• Tilt screen. OK, the implementation is a bit ugly. Actually it’s a lot ugly, and very unlike Leica who usually ensure elegance flows through their cameras. It could have been blended into the back of the camera far more harmoniously like the Fuji X100VI. However, it’s very useful and another reason to go for the Q3 rather than the earlier versions. I’ve used it a lot.

• Battery. The battery is OK. I’ve never run out, but I’m not shooting hundreds of shots per session. I have a spare just in case.

• Leica Fotos app. It’s a lot better than previous iterations. I’ve used it a few times to do quick exports to social media or for sending to the people I’m photographing. It does connect more quickly, and transfer fast and more reliably. But it’s just OK and nothing to write home about.

• Cost. It’s pricey compared to other cameras. But it’s also good value compared to a similar Leica M setup. I hate changing lenses, so having a crazily good 28-75mm compact camera with me at all times makes it worth the money.

• File sizes. Blimey! They are huge. Comes with the territory. And the fact I shoot DNG + large jpeg all the time doesn’t help. With DNGs at about 80mb and jpegs at 25mb, you’re talking a lot of disk space. It requires a bit of brain recalibration to handle large quantities of images from the Q3. It also needs some beefy disk space and large backup drives. Add this to the cost of the camera - don’t forget!

• High ISO. It’s a bit shonky to be honest. This is one reason I don’t use the Q3 that much for nightscapes and stars where I need to keep the shutter speed to about 10-15 secs to avoid getting elongated stars. Usually this requires a high ISO to get the right shutter speed. Comparing files from my older Sony A7III with the Q3 taken at the same time and place and with the same ISO settings, the Sony is a lot cleaner than the Leica. High ISO is a bit immaterial due to the exceptional AI-based noise reduction in Lightroom now (more huge files!), but the cleaner images have always come from my Sony.

• No visible ISO dial. This is a miss in my opinion. Yes, it’s nice having a dedicated soft button on the top of the camera, but I want to be able to look down at the top of the camera and see ISO, aperture and shutter speed in one go. Therefore I’d like to have a physical ISO dial like the M10 and upwards.

• Sticky-out lens. While the Q3 is relatively small, the lens does stuck out quite a long way. More so when you put the angular hood on it. This stops the camera being pocketable like a Fuji X100VI for example. I know that there’s only so much you can do with optics and focal length, and drive motors for autofocus. In fact it’s a miracle that they can create an autofocus 28mm f/1.7 lens of such supreme quality in such a small package. But I wish it didn’t stick out so much. Maybe they can do a fully optimised curved sensor version with a flatter lens next?

• User profiles. I like the idea of saving settings in user profiles. But blimey they can be confusing. Thankfully, firmware updates are set up to not wipe them out these days if you do them right. But the amount of time I’ve spend setting up four or five user profiles only to find that one buried setting is incorrect and having to do them all again is crazy. Overall, they are just really annoying.

• Touch AF. Very poorly implemented. Sometimes I’ll inadvertently turn it on, usually because it is mistakenly set in one of the aforementioned user profiles. Then the focus point moves about all over the screen when I’m putting the camera in my bag. Then the focus point size changes randomly due to my nose pressing on the screen for long enough to trigger the size setting. Overall very confusing and I try and always turn it off but there’s always some bloody user profile that switches it back on again.

Useful Accessories

I’ve added three useful things to my Q3.

Firstly I splurged and bought the Leica thumb grip. It’s silly money for what it is I know, but Red Dot Cameras had one in stock and I had the cash. On it’s own it is a nice addition for giving you a bit more control over the camera.

Combined with the IDS grip, it transforms the security of the camera in hand. Both accessories significantly improve the feel of the camera, and it no longer feels like you could drop it if your arm gets knocked by someone or you’re sweating in the heat of a crowded club during an album launch. It also makes it easier to manipulate the controls as the weight of the camera can be taken up with the lower fingers of your hand on the grip. The IDS grip is better than the cheapo eBay one I got initially with a Q2 fitment as it allows full access to the memory card slot and battery, which are different to the Q2.

The built-in Arca Swiss tripod rail on the IDS grip is great as well, and very neatly done. A useful bonus feature is that it allows the camera to sit on a table without falling on it’s lens. An L-bracket would be even more useful - maybe that’s next.

Together, the thumb grip and hand grip don’t add any significant size to the camera, and they make it a lot easier to hold and use.

Of course everyone will use a strap at some point. I like the Peak Design system a lot having used it for years. I have a “Leash” quick adjust neck strap and a wrist strap which fit onto the little dangly lugs that go onto the camera.

In Summary

You might have gathered that I’m a fan. Yes, it’s a lot of money. Yes you could get similar-ish results from other cameras. But in my view what you can’t get is the whole combination of size, lens, image quality, usability, build quality and satisfaction in another camera.

My Q3 has been an invaluable tool for creating the Skye At Night book, and I anticipate it will remain my favourite camera for a long time to come. 10/10 would recommend.

Edited May 30, 2024 by Tobers

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[WeiterWinkel]

Your pictures are utterly stunning 🤩 

[Tobers]

Well thank you very much 🙂

[Qwertynm]

Some great images in there. It takes careful framing with the wide angle. Nicely executed 👍

[bobtodrick]

Agree with Qwertynm…great photos…the kind of imagery that the Q series is very well suited to…kudos 😀

[PeterKelly]

Excellent well reasoned long term review from a real user and not a You tube talking head,

Your images establish your credentials to review this camera

Well done

[Aram Langhans]

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Wonderful photos.  I have not had my Q3 that long (had to wait months), but in many ways it is better than my Q2 was, and in some, not so much, but overall, I am happy with it and have many of the same thoughts as you have.  With my experience I would move touch autofocus and profiles much higher on the list than you placed them, and battery life lower. 

I am hoping that through firmware updates it can become as mature and rock solid a performer as the Q2 was.

[Steve Miller]

As others have said, well thought out review and a beautiful set of images on your blog post.

Steve

[Cogito]

I enjoyed your considered review, but when I saw your Skye at Night photos, I gave it far more credence, excellent work. I’d be interested to know what lighting you used, but understand if that’s a trade secret.

[abeckers68]

Very nice fotos. Great work.

Can you tell me which suspension and which leather protection is fitted to the camera eye?

[Tobers]

6 hours ago, Cogito said:

I enjoyed your considered review, but when I saw your Skye at Night photos, I gave it far more credence, excellent work. I’d be interested to know what lighting you used, but understand if that’s a trade secret.

Thanks for your and everyone else's positive comments.

For lighting, I use a small octabox held close in to minimise lighting the surrounding area. Not sure if you can buy this one from Damian McGillicuddy any more - most probably everything is LED now. This give a really lovely light that shapes the subject well, and allows me to keep the background slightly underexposed and with rich colours. The downside is that it often means lighting each subject individually (like the firefighters or mountain rescue team), and then comping multiple pics together afterwards on the computer. For those shots, everyone is posed and then each person is lit one at a time down the line. The results are well worth it though.

Here's a pic of the gear I use for the book project and an explanation of each thing. I grabbed this from my instagram rather than writing it just for you guys 🙂. You'll see a bunch of other pics on there and I'll leave you to figure out which is with the Q3.

 

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

The Leica Q3 (1) is a very small and high quality instrument that handled the majority of the people and documentary pictures. It’s unobtrusive, fast to operate, yet possesses a very high resolution sensor and a fixed 28mm f/1.7 lens that are excuisite together. It works very well with an external flash, which is fitted into a small octagonal softbox (2) to soften the resulting light. This combination is fast to set up and easy to use.

For most of the scenery and landscape pictures, a Sony A7III was used with a 16-35 f/2.8 lens (3). This is a fast and flexible lens ideal for capturing wide views and dramatic starscapes. The Sony is very technically proficient and, strangely, better at high ISO (sensor sensitivity) than the Leica. A 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 lens (4) had an occasional outing when a long zoom was needed and a fast shutter speed wasn’t a requirement.

Aerial photography was courtesy of a Mavic Mini 4 Pro drone (5). Being very lightweight it is both easy to carry, and subject to fewer restrictions than heavier drones. A drone is like a tripod in the sky. You can make a composition that would be impossible otherwise, as well as using the drone to add light or effects to a scene at night.

The fourth camera is used for all the accompanying videos. This is a GoPro 11 with a Media Mod (6) and a DJI wireless microphone. Capturing video at night is really tricky but hopefully the results give an insight into how the photographs in this book were made.

Lastly, I always carry a Garmin 66i GPS (7) when I’m out and about. This provides Ordnance Survey mapping, and also crucially includes the Garmin InReach satellite messaging and SOS service. This enables me to call for help if I am in serious difficulty, and it also pings my position to Mrs T who monitors where I am to make sure I'm not stuck down a hole. Well worth it.

2 hours ago, AussieQ said:

Superb writeup Tobers. The photos look fantastic. I am so tempted to use my Q3 on a commercial job, but I made a promise to myself that it would only be used for personal/travel photography. I will leave the other gear for work. It sounds weird, but if I used the Q3 for work, it would become a work tool and I would lose interest in taking it away for personal.

 

All in all, great work!!

Seriously use it. You'll love it and work won't feel like work. I know what you mean though.

1 minute ago, abeckers68 said:

Very nice fotos. Great work.

Can you tell me which suspension and which leather protection is fitted to the camera eye?

Thanks - the little round leather pieces came with some strap that I bought some time ago. I can't remember which one I'm afraid, but I think it was a posh hand made leather strap for my M10 (now sold). I use small metal split rings to attach the Peak Design "toggles" to the camera rather than messing around trying to poke them through the tiny eyelets of the Q3. 

 

[haelio]

Just wanted to chime in to say that your photos are great. After being an avid off-camera flash user several years ago I've not used one for several years as I found with modern cameras I could get more realistic photos with higher ISO and careful positioning of subjects. However, your use in the set you shared was excellent and makes me want to dust off my old kit

One thing that might be useful for you as it appears you are an ACR/Lightroom user is that you can get ACR or Lightroom to convert Q3 DNGs to DNG to save a fair amount of space (average 80MB -> 58MB). The Q3 outputs lossless compressed DNGs, but the ACR compressor does a better job while still being lossless.

[wolfewithane]

Very impressive work.

[Cogito]

6 hours ago, Tobers said:

Thanks for your and everyone else's positive comments.

For lighting, I use a small octabox held close in to minimise lighting the surrounding area. Not sure if you can buy this one from Damian McGillicuddy any more - most probably everything is LED now. This give a really lovely light that shapes the subject well, and allows me to keep the background slightly underexposed and with rich colours. The downside is that it often means lighting each subject individually (like the firefighters or mountain rescue team), and then comping multiple pics together afterwards on the computer. For those shots, everyone is posed and then each person is lit one at a time down the line. The results are well worth it though.

Here's a pic of the gear I use for the book project and an explanation of each thing. I grabbed this from my instagram rather than writing it just for you guys 🙂. You'll see a bunch of other pics on there and I'll leave you to figure out which is with the Q3.

 

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

The Leica Q3 (1) is a very small and high quality instrument that handled the majority of the people and documentary pictures. It’s unobtrusive, fast to operate, yet possesses a very high resolution sensor and a fixed 28mm f/1.7 lens that are excuisite together. It works very well with an external flash, which is fitted into a small octagonal softbox (2) to soften the resulting light. This combination is fast to set up and easy to use.

For most of the scenery and landscape pictures, a Sony A7III was used with a 16-35 f/2.8 lens (3). This is a fast and flexible lens ideal for capturing wide views and dramatic starscapes. The Sony is very technically proficient and, strangely, better at high ISO (sensor sensitivity) than the Leica. A 100-400 f/4.5-5.6 lens (4) had an occasional outing when a long zoom was needed and a fast shutter speed wasn’t a requirement.

Aerial photography was courtesy of a Mavic Mini 4 Pro drone (5). Being very lightweight it is both easy to carry, and subject to fewer restrictions than heavier drones. A drone is like a tripod in the sky. You can make a composition that would be impossible otherwise, as well as using the drone to add light or effects to a scene at night.

The fourth camera is used for all the accompanying videos. This is a GoPro 11 with a Media Mod (6) and a DJI wireless microphone. Capturing video at night is really tricky but hopefully the results give an insight into how the photographs in this book were made.

Lastly, I always carry a Garmin 66i GPS (7) when I’m out and about. This provides Ordnance Survey mapping, and also crucially includes the Garmin InReach satellite messaging and SOS service. This enables me to call for help if I am in serious difficulty, and it also pings my position to Mrs T who monitors where I am to make sure I'm not stuck down a hole. Well worth it.

Seriously use it. You'll love it and work won't feel like work. I know what you mean though.

Thanks - the little round leather pieces came with some strap that I bought some time ago. I can't remember which one I'm afraid, but I think it was a posh hand made leather strap for my M10 (now sold). I use small metal split rings to attach the Peak Design "toggles" to the camera rather than messing around trying to poke them through the tiny eyelets of the Q3. 

 

I never would have guessed you lit each individual separately, nice composite work. Funny, I own much of the same gear including mavic, sony, gopro, and inreach, (have never used strobes since I come from motion picture / video beginnings) the skill is in the carpenter, not his tools. Thank you for sharing.

[Woodstock]

Thank you Tobers for this very interesting article. The images are a positive bonus, with the combination of lighting and depth of field working to give, to my mind, excellent results. I do not enjoy doing conventional portraiture (ie I am no good at it!) but have always enjoyed environmental portraiture images of the sort you have posted, and these have reawakened my interest in pursuing that style. The image of the lone figure waiting at the (?) bus stop is really rather magical.

[bwhip]

Thanks so much for sharing. I completely agree with most all of your comments about the camera. I just love it, despite a few very minor quibbles.

And your photos are absolutely wonderful and inspiring!

[Tobers]

1 hour ago, Woodstock said:

Thank you Tobers for this very interesting article. The images are a positive bonus, with the combination of lighting and depth of field working to give, to my mind, excellent results. I do not enjoy doing conventional portraiture (ie I am no good at it!) but have always enjoyed environmental portraiture images of the sort you have posted, and these have reawakened my interest in pursuing that style. The image of the lone figure waiting at the (?) bus stop is really rather magical.

Thanks! That one was 4 years in the planning, waiting for the right conditions etc. I’m delighted I’ve helped reawaken your interest - go for it.

5 hours ago, haelio said:

Just wanted to chime in to say that your photos are great. After being an avid off-camera flash user several years ago I've not used one for several years as I found with modern cameras I could get more realistic photos with higher ISO and careful positioning of subjects. However, your use in the set you shared was excellent and makes me want to dust off my old kit

One thing that might be useful for you as it appears you are an ACR/Lightroom user is that you can get ACR or Lightroom to convert Q3 DNGs to DNG to save a fair amount of space (average 80MB -> 58MB). The Q3 outputs lossless compressed DNGs, but the ACR compressor does a better job while still being lossless.

Thanks too. I’ll check that. I did think I have LR set to convert to DNG, but I’m not 100% sure now. Sounds like a good plan if I haven’t got that set.

Hope you get that gear dusted off.

[Tobers]

On the topic of environmental portraits, and photographing people in general, I find it really hard as I’m very introverted. Cold-calling people or even just walking up to them to ask them to take part in the project filled me with dread. I much prefer lurking about up a mountain on my own. Half the images in the book are night landscapes of various types.

However, no pain no gain. I just had to man-up and get on with it and actually speak to strangers, and convince them to be photographed. As usual, the rewards of overcoming the fear are very, ummm, very rewarding. 

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[Sparkassenkunde]

I have seen some of your excellent pictures over the last couple of months and by seeing them in your also very good written article they show your masterful skills in photography! With a lot of interest I read your post about your light equipment and come to the conclusion that if I ever have the time to make the next step in enriching my photography I will put my focus on portable light equipment. Thank you very much for sharing your experiences and thoughts about the Q3 with us!

[Le Chef]

Thanks Andrew - these are great shots and inspiring for those of us who shy away from using flash or light boxes. I'm still gun shy after spending 3 days photographing loose diamonds many years ago. Move one diamond and it goes black. Move in another way and another diamond goes black...

Your pictures of Assynt are still the gold standards for me when it comes to landscapes, and I go back to them to simply marvel at the subtleties you manage to capture.

Her Ladyship and I are doing a lap of Scotland in the Autumn and will be visiting Skye which we both looking forward very much.

The Q3 will be the lone piece of camera equipment on that trip...