New leica m-a with cosmetic issues

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44 minutes ago, Al Brown said:

Wabi sabi is awesome but have you tried wasabi?

 

Not knowingly! I have not been exposed to much Japanese cuisine. 

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[Dzongkha]

Am 8.7.2023 um 17:59 schrieb Cam_Han:

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I have the same 'issue' on my new MP BP. When i was at my local Leica-Store they said to me: if everything works right, please ignore it and have fun with the camera. Please don't send it to leica to 'fix' this because the chance, that something else is getting worse is existing 😄.

[CSG123]

Imagine if Rolex did this sort of thing.

[Indeepthought]

On 7/8/2023 at 9:35 AM, Cam_Han said:

I agree. It just bothered me a bit to see these things on a new camera that I bought for mostly superficial reasons (black chrome is just so beautiful). Also, I did buy this camera with a pretty decent discount from an unauthorized dealer, and there is also some dust in the viewfinder so it might not really be brand-new (otherwise it looks to be unused). I'll forget all about it after shooting a few rolls. 

Seems you bought a 'second' did not pass top muster but cleared the 'its ok' designation. .. A discounted Leica... It might have been bought by a Leica employee & then sold on.. buyer beware..

Edited July 15, 2023 by Indeepthought
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[Warton]

2 hours ago, CSG123 said:

Imagine if Rolex did this sort of thing.

Actually Rolex did lots of this sort of thing.

I even saw Rolex OP model sold from an authorized dealer had that L of rolex on dial canted.

And they are producing almost 1 million watches every year and waiting list on certain  ss sport models, i.e. GMT 2 BLRO is more than 3 years if and AD even took a waiting list.

 

 

 

Edited July 16, 2023 by Warton

[Dzongkha]

I made a quick photo today. Here you can see that the lever sits crooked on the body. In real life, when you hold the camera perfectly straight, you can see it even more clearly.

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15 minutes ago, Dzongkha said:

I made a quick photo today. Here you can see that the lever sits crooked on the body. In real life, when you hold the camera perfectly straight, you can see it even more clearly.

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I would assume that being a new Leica you quite rightly expected a reasonable level of perfection, here I agree, the OP bought a new Leica from a non Leica dealer at a discount, red flags everywhere. Imho I would see if a refund was possible, I doubt Leica will cover all the issues cosmetic or not, the warranty itself is questionable!

[yeahyoung]

These are not trivial problems. You should write an email to their customer service with the pictures. From what I know, Leica will definitely replace or fix the camera for you free of charge. 
 

BTW Leica has always had problems with their quality control for both film and digital cameras. Their customer service though is always good with fixing the problems. 

[69xchange]

On 7/16/2023 at 11:03 AM, Dzongkha said:

I made a quick photo today. Here you can see that the lever sits crooked on the body. In real life, when you hold the camera perfectly straight, you can see it even more clearly.

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My brand new MP is like that too

[Matlock]

44 minutes ago, 69xchange said:

My brand new MP is like that too

So are my M3 and M2.

[Bronco McBeast]

On 7/16/2023 at 8:03 PM, Dzongkha said:

I made a quick photo today. Here you can see that the lever sits crooked on the body. In real life, when you hold the camera perfectly straight, you can see it even more clearly.

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Must be really even more frustrating for Leica, the company, to be dealing with these absolutely irrational expectations.

They offer you an excellent tool that’s meant to be used and abused, and yet there are people expecting “perfection” and a “perfect object”. Not even Leica is saying their products are perfect. 

I know, not everyone is like me, but I assure you I am the prototype Leica user: I open the box, I use the camera, I try very hard to beat it up, and 20 years later it’s still working. With scratches and all. I don’t understand how tis has turned into a fondler’s market.  A 2 degrees slanted film winding arm?  

And this is where I understand where the “perfection” thing comes from: from 20 years of hard use, not from brand new fondling.
 

 

Edited July 22, 2023 by Bronco McBeast

[Indeepthought]

8 minutes ago, Bronco McBeast said:

Must be really even more frustrating for Leica, the company, to be dealing with these absolutely irrational expectations.

They offer you an excellent tool that’s meant to be used and abused, and yet there are people expecting “perfection” and a “perfect object”. Not even Leica is saying their products are perfect. 

I know, not everyone is like me, but I assure you I am the prototype Leica user: I open the box, I use the camera, I try very hard to beat it up, and 20 years later it’s still working. With scratches and all. I don’t understand how tis has turned into a fondler’s market.  A 2 degrees slanted film winding arm?  

And this is where I understand where the “perfection” thing comes from: from 20 years of hard use, not from brand new fondling.
 

 

Maybe the OP has a case of Buyers Remorse! Take Care 

[CSG123]

1 hour ago, Bronco McBeast said:

Must be really even more frustrating for Leica, the company, to be dealing with these absolutely irrational expectations.

They offer you an excellent tool that’s meant to be used and abused, and yet there are people expecting “perfection” and a “perfect object”. Not even Leica is saying their products are perfect. 

I know, not everyone is like me, but I assure you I am the prototype Leica user: I open the box, I use the camera, I try very hard to beat it up, and 20 years later it’s still working. With scratches and all. I don’t understand how tis has turned into a fondler’s market.  A 2 degrees slanted film winding arm?  

And this is where I understand where the “perfection” thing comes from: from 20 years of hard use, not from brand new fondling.
 

 

Very nice virtue signaling, well done... 🙄

[Dzongkha]

vor 3 Stunden schrieb Bronco McBeast:

Must be really even more frustrating for Leica, the company, to be dealing with these absolutely irrational expectations.

They offer you an excellent tool that’s meant to be used and abused, and yet there are people expecting “perfection” and a “perfect object”. Not even Leica is saying their products are perfect. 

I know, not everyone is like me, but I assure you I am the prototype Leica user: I open the box, I use the camera, I try very hard to beat it up, and 20 years later it’s still working. With scratches and all. I don’t understand how tis has turned into a fondler’s market.  A 2 degrees slanted film winding arm?  

And this is where I understand where the “perfection” thing comes from: from 20 years of hard use, not from brand new fondling.
 

 

In principle, I agree with you. But contrary to your assumption, I'm not a picky type who looks for the hair in the soup. I liked nothing better than to pull off the foil at the bottom and put it anywhere in the field - because it is a tool for me.

But: 20 years of use I can also use my wife's Olympus OM-1, no problem. It's just that these cameras don't cost €5,550. For that money I can buy a nice Mercedes /8 (okay, maybe with a little rust..).
Can it have a flaw because of that price? Yes, of course. I also didn't go to my local Leica store and complain. I asked, "Hey, dozens of M's pass through your hands every day. Is it that bad or should I get that fixed?". I wrote the answer above, and I stuck to it.
A little(!) annoy me the thing at this price nevertheless, just because also in the middle of the window of the rangefinder - since opening the OVP - also a thick fuzz sticks out. But I'll let it rest on its own.

Yes, you shouldn't get pissed over every detail - but at the price, you can expect a certain level of perfection. Longevity alone is not a unique selling point of Leica.

[CSG123]

1 hour ago, Dzongkha said:

In principle, I agree with you. But contrary to your assumption, I'm not a picky type who looks for the hair in the soup. I liked nothing better than to pull off the foil at the bottom and put it anywhere in the field - because it is a tool for me.

But: 20 years of use I can also use my wife's Olympus OM-1, no problem. It's just that these cameras don't cost €5,550. For that money I can buy a nice Mercedes /8 (okay, maybe with a little rust..).
Can it have a flaw because of that price? Yes, of course. I also didn't go to my local Leica store and complain. I asked, "Hey, dozens of M's pass through your hands every day. Is it that bad or should I get that fixed?". I wrote the answer above, and I stuck to it.
A little(!) annoy me the thing at this price nevertheless, just because also in the middle of the window of the rangefinder - since opening the OVP - also a thick fuzz sticks out. But I'll let it rest on its own.

Yes, you shouldn't get pissed over every detail - but at the price, you can expect a certain level of perfection. Longevity alone is not a unique selling point of Leica.

I have two OM-1's that have been heavily used (my original is from 1978 and has hundreds of rolls through it).  The other is about the same age.  In all these years, all I've had to do was replace the light seals.  For what Leica gets for their new cameras, that they last for decades is to be expected.  That they have cosmetic issues, is not to be expected.  I'm amazed at all the excuse makers.

[69xchange]

Speaking of cosmetic issue, how’s everyone’s black chrome M-A paint? Mine has smudges/paint unevenness under certain lighting and angles. It’s a pretty new camera too and isopropyl alcohol couldn’t get rid of the smudges. I’m assuming this is normal?

[Fotoklaus]

vor 15 Stunden schrieb Bronco McBeast:

Must be really even more frustrating for Leica, the company, to be dealing with these absolutely irrational expectations.

They offer you an excellent tool that’s meant to be used and abused, and yet there are people expecting “perfection” and a “perfect object”. Not even Leica is saying their products are perfect. 

I know, not everyone is like me, but I assure you I am the prototype Leica user: I open the box, I use the camera, I try very hard to beat it up, and 20 years later it’s still working. With scratches and all. I don’t understand how tis has turned into a fondler’s market.  A 2 degrees slanted film winding arm?  

And this is where I understand where the “perfection” thing comes from: from 20 years of hard use, not from brand new fondling.
 

 

No, I´m sorry. As a toolmaker I´ve learned to drill a straight hole and mount something straight in line to it in my first 2 month of my job training.

Leica and other products of germany are famous for their precision engineering. This is just worth a laugh. None of my Ms from M2 to M6 are built this way.

We would have catched a slap and had to start from beginning back then.

I don´t know how long this winding mechanism will work if it is "just two degrees" off. probably not 20 years of heavy use.

Edited July 23, 2023 by Fotoklaus

[Matlock]

5 hours ago, Fotoklaus said:

No, I´m sorry. As a toolmaker I´ve learned to drill a straight hole and mount something straight in line to it in my first 2 month of my job training.

Leica and other products of germany are famous for their precision engineering. This is just worth a laugh. None of my Ms from M2 to M6 are built this way.

We would have catched a slap and had to start from beginning back then.

I don´t know how long this winding mechanism will work if it is "just two degrees" off. probably not 20 years of heavy use.

As I posted, both my M3 and M2 are like that and have been since I bought them many years ago, still going strong.

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      ...surreal thread - typical of what Leica has become. Jeez.

[Bronco McBeast]

12 hours ago, Fotoklaus said:

No, I´m sorry. As a toolmaker I´ve learned to drill a straight hole and mount something straight in line to it in my first 2 month of my job training.

Leica and other products of germany are famous for their precision engineering. This is just worth a laugh. None of my Ms from M2 to M6 are built this way.

We would have catched a slap and had to start from beginning back then.

I don´t know how long this winding mechanism will work if it is "just two degrees" off. probably not 20 years of heavy use.

I’m betting in excess of 75 years, actually.