M10-D price advice needed

[julian79]

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Hi all, hope you are well.

Just wondering what in your opinion would be a good price for a Lecia M10-D with extras (Visoflex Typ 020, extra battery).
Shutter count unfortunately unknown (have no idea how to find that on that body), body in very good condition.

How much do they go for these days?  

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[benqui]

Very difficult to say Julian. The problem is to find one, they are really very rare. I saw some for 6600-6800 Euro, but of course I do not know, whether they very sold.

[julian79]

Thank you benqui

[AndreasG]

Recent April sales at ebay.de were at 7250 and 7617€.

[Aldrahn]

One on ebay now in the UK for £6000... I'd buy it if I could afford it

Leica M10-D Camera Body | eBay

[julian79]

Thank you all!

[julian79]

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Paying that much on eBay would make me think twice. This one looks genuine but still no warranty and am not sure how eBay handles refunds. 

[Koeneman]

Bought mine one month ago at Foto Görlitz in Germany for 7300. Great condition, one year warranty. 

[julian79]

thank you @Koeneman

[ramarren]

On 5/22/2023 at 2:38 AM, julian79 said:

Paying that much on eBay would make me think twice. This one looks genuine but still no warranty and am not sure how eBay handles refunds. 

Some pretty expensive things get bought and sold on Ebay, but you have to know what you're doing (as either seller or buyer). Generally speaking, Ebay isn't the responsible party when it comes to refunds ... the seller is. So you should always check the listing to see whether refunds are offered, and ask about terms of the refund process if you're unsure. 

For me: I prefer to buy equipment from a dealer, although I've sold and bought a lot of high-value equipment on Ebay (and forum sales sections) as well for the service and support they offer. I never sell anything in an Ebay or private sale that I know to need some kind of service unless I articulate that clearly in my listing. Generally speaking, private sales through these forums are a little "safer" because it's easier for both buyer and seller to find out more about the person they are dealing with. I work with a couple of dealers that I've known for many years, so such transactions are "safer" for similar reasons. 

So ... be careful, work the details and build up a trust relationship on any transaction regardless whom you buy from. And good luck finding an M10-D! They are pretty rare, just like the M-D 262 model. 

G

[fenykepesz]

vor 36 Minuten schrieb ramarren:

Some pretty expensive things get bought and sold on Ebay, but you have to know what you're doing (as either seller or buyer)....

thank you for your advice, ramarren - i had burnt my fingers through some eBay activities, many years ago, so i am not even sure if i want to go that route again.

but i will want to sell my M10-D as soon as the new M11-D - a dream, hopefully substantiating itself - is out, perhaps by next year, for the M cameras 70th birthday anniversary ?  i am in any case apparently high up on the list here in Canada together with other crazy folks interested in such a camera body...

[ramarren]

I can understand that ...

An M11-D is an interesting thought. They've put so much more into the M11 model to bring it closer to a "mirrorless" (or 'EVF-centric') camera .. I wonder how the notion of a body without LCD would work out. 

The M-D 262 (which I still lament being dumb enough to sell) was, for the "nothing but essentials" meme, near perfect. I'd love to see a true follow-on to that with the M11 (or M10-M or -R) sensor and supporting electronics, with the nicer feel of the M10 body, without the faux wind lever and add-on control complexity using a smartphone. I could see an M11-D that supported the EVF for configuration menus if they must be included, as well as for image review, etc. 

But it's all my conjecture and fantasy... I suspect for myself the combination of M10-M and M10-R will be my kit for a time to come. These bodies and the way they operate feel right to me. 

G

[julian79]

Thank you all for your comments and sharing what you know!

[Huss]

4 hours ago, ramarren said:

Some pretty expensive things get bought and sold on Ebay, but you have to know what you're doing (as either seller or buyer). Generally speaking, Ebay isn't the responsible party when it comes to refunds ... the seller is. So you should always check the listing to see whether refunds are offered, and ask about terms of the refund process if you're unsure. 

 

I've never had an issue returning pricey things on ebay.  It does not matter if the seller says 'all sales final, no returns'.

If the item is not as described, ebay accepts the returns.  It doesn't matter if the seller tries to refuse, ebay will return the buyer's money and themselves get it back from the seller.

Otherwise the seller can sell junk, claim it's ok but 'all sales final'.  It was an issue in the early days of ebay where they realized that if they didn't step in, no-one would buy anymore as they were getting ripped off.

All great, no? No - only for the buyer.  If you are a seller, ebay nearly always sides with the buyer and so the seller is vulnerable to dishonest buyers who may use something for a while, damage it, claim a return.  Because I think the return period is now 3 months!!!  Worst stories I've heard is buyers harvest good parts from what they have bought, replace with their defective parts, and return the item as defective.

Anyway - ebay is great for buyers, not so much for sellers.

[fenykepesz]

vor 7 Minuten schrieb Huss:

I've never had an issue returning pricey things on ebay.  It does not matter if the seller says 'all sales final, no returns'.

If the item is not as described, ebay accepts the returns.  It doesn't matter if the seller tries to refuse, ebay will return the buyer's money and themselves get it back from the seller.

Otherwise the seller can sell junk, claim it's ok but 'all sales final'.  It was an issue in the early days of ebay where they realized that if they didn't step in, no-one would buy anymore as they were getting ripped off.

All great, no? No - only for the buyer.  If you are a seller, ebay nearly always sides with the buyer and so the seller is vulnerable to dishonest buyers who may use something for a while, damage it, claim a return.  Because I think the return period is now 3 months!!!  Worst stories I've heard is buyers harvest good parts from what they have bought, replace with their defective parts, and return the item as defective.

Anyway - ebay is great for buyers, not so much for sellers.

thank you for this valuable feedback !  i am in fact reflecting already for a while on how to sell my M10-D (once the M11-D is out).

[Mikep996]

"So you should always check the listing to see whether refunds are offered, and ask about terms of the refund process if you're unsure. "

FWIW,

Ebay is extremely buyer-oriented.  It doesn't matter what a seller says about returns.  If you don't like what you receive, ebay will refund your money.  If something is not "as advertised" or does not function as you expected OR is not cosmetically acceptable, you can get a refund.  IOW, if you change your mind about a purchase, you can come up with a reason and return it/get a refund regardless whether the seller agrees to take returns.  IOW, saying "no returns" is meaningless if someone really wants to return something; they can always find a reason.  

I used to sell items regularly on ebay but no longer do so after having a couple of such experiences.  In one case a buyer got a refund on Fender Telecaster I sold because despite numerous pics and a statement of the color per Fender's  the buyer decided that the color was "not as advertised," so he filed a return which ebay accepted (it will always be accepted) so I got the guitar back and he got a refund.  IOW, the seller has no choice in the matter.

 

[lostproperty]

On 5/21/2023 at 4:09 PM, julian79 said:

Hi all, hope you are well.

Just wondering what in your opinion would be a good price for a Lecia M10-D with extras (Visoflex Typ 020, extra battery).
Shutter count unfortunately unknown (have no idea how to find that on that body), body in very good condition.

How much do they go for these days?  

If you’re still in the market for a Leica M10-D, MPB have one listed for $7249 US…

[fenykepesz]

Am 22.5.2023 um 05:38 schrieb julian79:

Paying that much on eBay would make me think twice. This one looks genuine but still no warranty and am not sure how eBay handles refunds. 

 

Am 29.5.2023 um 15:31 schrieb Huss:

...Anyway - ebay is great for buyers, not so much for sellers.

i am these days trying to sell my M10-D (via Classifieds on this forum for example) but comments about eBay like yours above, @julian79 and @Huss, make me reluctant to go that route.  i rather much prefered a real person-to-person contact, and also an honest dialogue about the issues one had over the years with such a camera - but not in order to negotiate thereafter about the price, that can be ultimately annoying.

in any case, @julian79, did you succeed in selling your M10-D and stuff last spring ?

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[julian79]

1 hour ago, fenykepesz said:

 

i am these days trying to sell my M10-D (via Classifieds on this forum for example) but comments about eBay like yours above, @julian79 and @Huss, make me reluctant to go that route.  i rather much prefered a real person-to-person contact, and also an honest dialogue about the issues one had over the years with such a camera - but not in order to negotiate thereafter about the price, that can be ultimately annoying.

in any case, @julian79, did you succeed in selling your M10-D and stuff last spring ?

Hi. I still have mine and probably won’t be selling. What your reason for selling and what issues are you having? 

[fenykepesz]

bonjour @julian79, thank you for your swift reply !

to your 1st point : i am selling so to help financing this next generation of M*-D, an M11-D, that apparently will surface at some point later this year.

to your 2nd question : i mentioned it under Classifieds (as i also discussed it frantically years ago on this forum) : a battery/heating issue and a minor RF calibration issue, both solved.

now, i am perfectly happy with my current M10-D, and still, i will try to get hold of the new M11-D - call it techno-nirvanico-philia - for reasons such as featuring a better sensor, lightmetering, power switch, ISO wheel.  however, i will surely miss that faboulous fake-winder of the M10-D if absent on that new M*-D !