M10-R differences

[erl]

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6 hours ago, otto.f said:

You wouldn’t be the first one who will be disappointed with the M11 if you like the M10-R. Reviewers may tell me what they like about the colors being corrected to your likings in a second, but my experience with the M10 is that exaggerated colors are difficult to tame in a minute with the saturation slider.

That's an interesting observation. I am not troubled by the the M10 colours, but maybe we have different tastes, or maybe  the individual software one uses may make it easier/harder to adjust. I use C1 and find adjustments very easy despite the camera I am using. Also, I shoot a lot in non ideal lighting situations where there is no expectation of 'perfect' colour. Many variables to consider, I suspect, besides the sensor rendition.

I don't have any trouble matching my M9 rendition to my M10 rendition (& vice versa) under 'normal' outdoor situations.

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22 hours ago, tap360 said:

So have been using this weekend.  Love the M10 camera, feels so well made with a fabulous interface. The c £4k price for the truly mint M10-P and just under for M10-R seems very fair which makes it tempting.

However, finding both M10-P and M10-R a bit harder to focus than my M9 which I didn't expect. To be honest, not sure either worth the extra £2k for me as a casual user, although slightly prefer the M10-R colours.

Am now minded to hold on to the M9 for a bit longer or look out for a M240 to get LV, or look at an SL or Q to give me some autofocus as a complement or just keep the savings for maybe a new lens or an M11 in future...am I crazy?

 

 

Just to chime in on this discussion a bit: find a clean M-P 240. I went from an M8 which I truly loved for its very unique rendering, to the M-P and the jump in output was truly a revelation. I am now the owner of an M10-R but purchasing it was more an experiment to see if I liked it rather than feeling as though I needed to upgrade from my 240. The M-P 240 is the best value in all of Leica’s cameras. It has an improved buffer size from the standard 240, which makes it quite fast, and a great shutter sound. It’s also available in beautiful black lacquer over brass for a price that doesn’t seem to make sense in todays market of black paint insanity. I’ll never sell mine. The Jpegs out of it I find very pleasant and the RAW files are indistinguishable from an M10/M10P unless shooting in very low light. As a walk around camera used for casual daytime photography you simply can not buy a better Leica for the money. The added bonus of the 240 series cameras is a battery that will literally last a week. I’ve taken mine on trips with two batteries and never needed to use the backup. This is something I will miss on the M10R. If you’re looking for more resolution and don’t want to break the bank, the M-P 240 is a no-brainer. 

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6 hours ago, erl said:

That's an interesting observation. I am not troubled by the the M10 colours, but maybe we have different tastes, or maybe  the individual software one uses may make it easier/harder to adjust. I use C1 and find adjustments very easy despite the camera I am using. Also, I shoot a lot in non ideal lighting situations where there is no expectation of 'perfect' colour. Many variables to consider, I suspect, besides the sensor rendition.

I don't have any trouble matching my M9 rendition to my M10 rendition (& vice versa) under 'normal' outdoor situations.

Let me start by saying that I don’t find myself an expert in color grading. So I expect from an expensive camera that it is easy to handle when corrections are needed. I use C1. It might be a matter of taste, but I think that there are important inidividual differences in seeing color between people too. The fact that there are people who are color blind is only the extreme variant of it. It took years for us to discover that my wife does not see subtle differences between brown and green for instance, a phenomenon which is quite common. However, I’m not the only one here that finds the M10-R more neutral than the M10, neither am I the only one who sees a preference for yellow in M10 images, which was very hard for me to correct, in several apps. Later on I discovered that the lens plays a part in that too, the Summilux 35 FLE draws more yellowish than the Summicron 35 iv for instance. I will post two images later on with the APO 35 vs. APO-Telyt 280. I owned a Sony A7 for a short time, maybe I’ve become allergic for orange/yellow casts since then. I think this started with CMOS sensors, the insane high ISO battle has its price 

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14 minutes ago, otto.f said:

Let me start by saying that I don’t find myself an expert in color grading. So I expect from an expensive camera that it is easy to handle when corrections are needed. I use C1. It might be a matter of taste, but I think that there are important inidividual differences in seeing color between people too. The fact that there are people who are color blind is only the extreme variant of it. It took years for us to discover that my wife does not see subtle differences between brown and green for instance, a phenomenon which is quite common. However, I’m not the only one here that finds the M10-R more neutral than the M10, neither am I the only one who sees a preference for yellow in M10 images, which was very hard for me to correct, in several apps. Later on I discovered that the lens plays a part in that too, the Summilux 35 FLE draws more yellowish than the Summicron 35 iv for instance. I will post two images later on with the APO 35 vs. APO-Telyt 280. I owned a Sony A7 for a short time, maybe I’ve become allergic for orange/yellow casts since then. I think this started with CMOS sensors, the insane high ISO battle has its price 

Here's a comparison of two lenses both with M10-R, left the APO-Telyt 280 and right APO 35. Admitted these are two different times of day and clouded versus sunny probably. The chimney at the richt is too yellow. But if I change the white balance to get the chimney the same, the white door is getting too blue.

It's not that I want to prove anything here about good or bad sensors, but it is very difficult to agree on this issue because there much more variables involved than just taste.

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[erl]

Otto, thank you for troubling to source and post those comparative shots, but you have sated so many variables in the comparison that they can no longer be comparable.

[ramarren]

After a few years absence from M cameras, I returned to the M with the M10-M last April. I liked it so much that I wanted a color complement, so I bought an M10-R this year. It needed a viewfinder/rangefinder service, so I've just gotten it back and put it into use. 

I am delighted with the color it makes: I do all my capture in DNG only and process with LR. By and large, I've found the M10-R DNG files so far need very very little tweaking to look great. I'm also delighted that it feels virtually the same as the M10-M in the hand, and the menu is very very similar. I like that it and the M10-M are the same pixel resolution. I don't find it to need some overwhelmingly different care in handling to get sharp exposures, although in my senesence I find I want to keep the shutter speed a stop or two higher than I once did. I also like that the the M10-M and M10-R use the same battery, case, EVF, etc.

If I find myself disliking something in the future, I'll let y'all know ... but I haven't found anything I dislike on the M10-M yet, and I don't know that I will on the M10-R either.  

G

 

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8 hours ago, ramarren said:

After a few years absence from M cameras, I returned to the M with the M10-M last April. I liked it so much that I wanted a color complement, so I bought an M10-R this year. It needed a viewfinder/rangefinder service, so I've just gotten it back and put it into use. 

I am delighted with the color it makes: I do all my capture in DNG only and process with LR. By and large, I've found the M10-R DNG files so far need very very little tweaking to look great. I'm also delighted that it feels virtually the same as the M10-M in the hand, and the menu is very very similar. I like that it and the M10-M are the same pixel resolution. I don't find it to need some overwhelmingly different care in handling to get sharp exposures, although in my senesence I find I want to keep the shutter speed a stop or two higher than I once did. I also like that the the M10-M and M10-R use the same battery, case, EVF, etc.

If I find myself disliking something in the future, I'll let y'all know ... but I haven't found anything I dislike on the M10-M yet, and I don't know that I will on the M10-R either.  

G

 

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