Vieri Posted October 24, 2007 Share #41 Posted October 24, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Or just push it when the lens is on. Guy, that wouldn't work, unfortunately - see Sean's reviews about this as well. The mount only would do the trick (plus of course the 6-bit coding) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest stnami Posted October 24, 2007 Share #42 Posted October 24, 2007 Guy ! Jack! good to see you guys getting into heavy duty PP work................. this reality caper was over rated......turning photos into other "realities" is the way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted October 24, 2007 Share #43 Posted October 24, 2007 Holey..I never realised you had an HDR Guy. I guess it is a whole lot less mucking round than erasing through bracketed layers and it comes into its own when you have a heap of images and takes away decision making. Im impressed. Is it dowlnloadable anywhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlm Posted October 24, 2007 Share #44 Posted October 24, 2007 it is in the works. I will be making replacement flanges that bring up the correct framelines for the 18 and the 25 zeiss lenses, similar to the LTM8, but to mate to the Zeiss bolt on interface. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 24, 2007 Share #45 Posted October 24, 2007 John if you need a test lens, i can send you mine when it comes in. BTW it is a little wider than the Wate but the length is a touch smaller and the hood is worthless just makes it bigger and does nothing positive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 24, 2007 Share #46 Posted October 24, 2007 Just got this this morning but for me i have to send the lens aboard which will take forever Dear Mr. Mancuso, thanks for your request. We can offer you the following exchange service: Exchanging the bayonet mount of your Distagon T* 4/18 ZM lens with a 28mm lens bayonet mount (so that the framelines 28mm and 90mm can be seen in the viewfinder of the M8). The Price of this service will be Eur 60,- (Price plus shipping costs excluding VAT). We don´t recommend our customers to exchange the bayonet mount by themselves or at a non-authorized repair center because warranty will be lost in this case. Special measuring equipment is required to adjust the lens after re-assembling. Please send your lens to our address: Carl Zeiss Geschäftsbereich Photoobjektive Service und Vertriebszentrum 73446 Oberkochen Germany To optimize handling and to advance service time, please fill out the following form and add it to your lens: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlm Posted October 24, 2007 Share #47 Posted October 24, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I had heard the same; so if you want the 28 framelines, send in the lens, pay the 60 Eu plus shipping both ways and keep the warranty. But then it is not machined for coding, which begs the question: why did you send it in to begin with, since the only reason to get the 28 framelines was for coding? so then you remove the new flange and send that out for machining, ($25) and put that back on, gaining the coding and losing the warranty anyway. so i decided to simply offer a replacement flange, machined for coding; eliminates shipping and the lowers turnaround time, money will be about the same as the LTM8, $150 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 24, 2007 Share #48 Posted October 24, 2007 John I will be the first on your list my friend, maybe send you my 35 Cron version IV and get everything done in Brooklyn. LOL Let me know it is own it's way from Hong Kong and should be here maybe this week or early next and will send it to you for fitting but your idea makes the most sense for US folks. the rest is too much hassle. BTW John I have a Leica 24mm that you coded right here that i have on the Buy and sell and you did a nice job on it. Rather give you my money than someone else John have you done the new flange yet on the Zeiss and if not time frame wise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted October 24, 2007 Share #49 Posted October 24, 2007 Just got this this morning but for me i have to send the lens aboard which will take forever Dear Mr. Mancuso, blah blah from Zeiss .... "Special measuring equipment is required to adjust the lens after re-assembling." .... I'm wondering, has ANYONE ever come across any signs of adjustment of the Zeiss flange or signs of shimming to suggest that extra calibration work is required? When I swapped over my Zeiss 21's flange to use a 28/90 it appeared that the flange was simply machined flat and mounted with screws against the other lens-side flat metal flange. The flange is thick enough that I seriously doubt that you could misalign the lens/mount by torquing it. Am I missing something here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 24, 2007 Share #50 Posted October 24, 2007 I would imagine there are no shims in these and a simple lens flange could be swapped. There just trying to protect themselves from saying that or protecting us from screwing up. Typical OEM mumbo jumbo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atufte Posted October 24, 2007 Share #51 Posted October 24, 2007 I'm wondering, has ANYONE ever come across any signs of adjustment of the Zeiss flange or signs of shimming to suggest that extra calibration work is required? When I swapped over my Zeiss 21's flange to use a 28/90 it appeared that the flange was simply machined flat and mounted with screws against the other lens-side flat metal flange. The flange is thick enough that I seriously doubt that you could misalign the lens/mount by torquing it. Am I missing something here? Just buy a spare one from Zeiss (with extra screws) than switch back to the original one if it need's to be sent back to Zeiss for warranty repair, or buy a spare send it to JM for milling then let Zeiss replace it with the JM milled one, but it's really not necacery because the switch is as easy as Graham describes...but it's your choice... :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dseelig Posted October 24, 2007 Share #52 Posted October 24, 2007 I ordered a flange from zeiss germany for my 25 zeiss it took 10 days to little old Idaho. It took 3 weeks for John to get my uv ir filter from Idaho by us mail priority . By the way Guy what happened with being in love with the leica 24 . And is the zeiss 18 feel better on the m8 then the wate David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 24, 2007 Share #53 Posted October 24, 2007 Well a funny thing happened. I traded the WATE to be honest for the 21mm ASPH and the CV 15. I wanted something faster in 21mm since i use that a lot. Trust me giving up the WATE was not a easy decision but the 21 2.8 made more sense and after comparing the 21 and 24m they are so very close with the slight and i mean slight edge to the 24mm at 5.6 but the 21mm had a nicer look wide open and the 28 cron is in the mix to so having a 12, 15, 18, 21, 24 and 28 is just flat out being a lens pig. LOL So something had to go the 24mm was the obvious choice becuase the 28 cron will never be sold and 21mm makes the most sense in spacing but the 12mm is the keeper but the 15 and 18 are something i just need to figure out and the decision to buy the 18mm came out of left field and i really just want to try it more than a few times in Yosemite it is a different look than the 15 CV and 21 apsh but someone needs to jump on my 24mm the price is exactly what i paid here a couple weeks ago with paypal and shipping fees. I tested this 24mm a lot and it does rock the house Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dseelig Posted October 24, 2007 Share #54 Posted October 24, 2007 HI Guy and anyone else who might know So does the 18 zeiss feel lighter and better on an m8 then the wate???? David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted October 24, 2007 Share #55 Posted October 24, 2007 No the WATE is skinner and the Zeiss may actually weigh more , need to check that Zeiss take a 58mm filter so it is fatter than the WATE which really takes a 49mm with Johns adapter and is also about the size of the barrel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyvot Posted October 24, 2007 Share #56 Posted October 24, 2007 I ordered a flange from zeiss germany for my 25 zeiss it took 10 days to little old Idaho. It took 3 weeks for John to get my uv ir filter from Idaho by us mail priority . By the way Guy what happened with being in love with the leica 24 . And is the zeiss 18 feel better on the m8 then the wate David I tried this, but my response from Zeiss was similar to Guy's... apparently, they are discouraging folks from ordering flanges, and want the lens returned for the swap so as not to negate the warranty. This of course makes no sense since the customer will need to remove the new flange to have it coded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyvot Posted October 24, 2007 Share #57 Posted October 24, 2007 Well a funny thing happened. I traded the WATE to be honest for the 21mm ASPH and the CV 15. I wanted something faster in 21mm since i use that a lot. Trust me giving up the WATE was not a easy decision but the 21 2.8 made more sense and after comparing the 21 and 24m they are so very close with the slight and i mean slight edge to the 24mm at 5.6 but the 21mm had a nicer look wide open and the 28 cron is in the mix to so having a 12, 15, 18, 21, 24 and 28 is just flat out being a lens pig. LOL So something had to go the 24mm was the obvious choice becuase the 28 cron will never be sold and 21mm makes the most sense in spacing but the 12mm is the keeper but the 15 and 18 are something i just need to figure out and the decision to buy the 18mm came out of left field and i really just want to try it more than a few times in Yosemite it is a different look than the 15 CV and 21 apsh but someone needs to jump on my 24mm the price is exactly what i paid here a couple weeks ago with paypal and shipping fees. I tested this 24mm a lot and it does rock the house Guy: LOL. Yes, for me the 24 is also a bit of an odd duck on the M8... but I may keep mine since if there is a full frame M someday, then it's a focal length I really enjoy. This M8 thing is so difficult... I never shot with 28mm in my life, but now I need a 28 to get a 35, and an 18 to get a 24, and a... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atufte Posted October 24, 2007 Share #58 Posted October 24, 2007 I tried this, but my response from Zeiss was similar to Guy's... apparently, they are discouraging folks from ordering flanges, and want the lens returned for the swap so as not to negate the warranty. This of course makes no sense since the customer will need to remove the new flange to have it coded. Just write in the email, that you will be coding it and then return it to Zeiss for the switch from the no coded flange with the coded one, and they will gladly sell it to you, no problems at all... i have ordered it for 3 lenses so far... But no need to send it back to Zeiss for the switch because it's very easy to do this yourself, without any signs of "a self done job" just remember to order a extra set of screws, just in case...belive me they can not see if you did this yourself... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 24, 2007 Share #59 Posted October 24, 2007 I tried this, but my response from Zeiss was similar to Guy's... apparently, they are discouraging folks from ordering flanges, and want the lens returned for the swap so as not to negate the warranty. This of course makes no sense since the customer will need to remove the new flange to have it coded. From a manufacturer's point of view, however, this is quite understandable (as Guy suggested). No lens maker is going to recommend home disassembly and reassembly of their lenses simply because things can happen that the mfg. can't be responsible for fixing under warranty. So, they need to protect themselves. They also wouldn't want a misadjusted or mis-assembled lens to reflect poorly on them. Nor would Leica, etc. Heck, I can't even officially recommend any of this bayonet milling, swapping, etc. on RR. Is it possible to disturb some alignment or adjustment in a Zeiss lens by swapping the bayonet? I haven't heard evidence of that myself but who knows? The bottom line is that the people who choose to do this at their own risk are acting as the front line researchers and some are very willing to take the risk (to the extent that there is one). So far, things seem to be working out fine (from the reports I've heard). Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted October 25, 2007 Share #60 Posted October 25, 2007 My test copy of the Zeiss 18 just arrived and I have a test copy of the WATE on the way, for comparison. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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