Adobe - Provenance and Authenticity to Images at the Point of Capture

[schimmey]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

Good afternoon all,

I have just read this short article on Leica rumours...

https://leicarumors.com/2022/10/18/adobe-announced-partnership-with-leica-camera-to-add-provenance-and-content-authenticity-at-the-point-of-capture-for-the-leica-m11-camera.aspx/#ixzz7iAvytdnW

Can anyone explain what it actually means?

Thanks.

Paul

[Advertisement]

The Leica Q3 is available for pre-order at B&H Photo Video and Adorama

[Photoworks]

well did you read the article?

It only includes information that the image has been generated by the camera and not by AI or photoshop. Add Author and location capture. Benefit is to prove that images in press are not fake.

they can still be staged! haha

[pgh]

This may not seem like much, but IMO (and it is early days), AI imaging is going to toss the photography world and industry on its head - especially illustration/studio and advertising work. 

At some point, a camera will be an unwieldy way of making an image one wants to see. Pretty soon, the only real appeal of the photograph as a set of pixels is going to be its evidentiary quality. And the proof that the image is indeed captured and not generated will probably become even more important. Hell, iPhone captures barely pass this now that software constitutes so much of the imaging process. 

A lens and a sensor isn't "truth" but it's a familiar tool that manipulates the visual scene to a lesser, and to a more widely recognizable degree. It seems like a good place to draw the line in defining what .jpg file constitutes a photograph versus a digital rendering - better than anything else I've seen to this point at least. The idea that an image being staged violates some sort of truth is only important if you're a photojournalist on contract to a set of guidelines, and then it is revealed in the caption. Lots if not most famous documentary images from the past have, at the very least a collaborative element to them. Intent to deceive is another question though. 

Edited October 19, 2022 by pgh

[Photoworks]

3 hours ago, pgh said:

The idea that an image being staged violates some sort of truth is only important if you're a photojournalist on contract to a set of guidelines, and then it is revealed in the caption. Lots if not most famous documentary images from the past have, at the very least a collaborative element to them. Intent to deceive is another question though. 

I have many  war photographer friend, one time we where talking about Gaza and one of them showed me a pix of a fire in the middle of the street. 
Few photographers when real close to the fire and exaggerated it for a headline.  In reality in was a non story and children where playing in the street just behind the "journalists"

Some time not showing something alters the story.

then there is the story of the photoshopped images of Steve McCurry, probably known for the SL2 Leica ads. He used to call himself a reporter until his practice was exposed.

[pgh]

18 hours ago, Photoworks said:

I have many  war photographer friend, one time we where talking about Gaza and one of them showed me a pix of a fire in the middle of the street. 
Few photographers when real close to the fire and exaggerated it for a headline.  In reality in was a non story and children where playing in the street just behind the "journalists"

Some time not showing something alters the story.

then there is the story of the photoshopped images of Steve McCurry, probably known for the SL2 Leica ads. He used to call himself a reporter until his practice was exposed.

Sure - there is no complete or comprehensive truth in photography, context matters, framing always manipulates reality to untold degrees. It's a problematic medium and fascinating for the same reasons. But the line has to be drawn somewhere in the realm of communication and media. If we're disclosing our relevant proximity to the issue, I have worked for a war photographer, know some others, and have worked domestically on not so fun stories where this applied and early on in my career was on the path towards doing this myself until I thought better of it (I wanted a personal life).

Which is to say my foundations in photography and the first large chunk of my career was spent meditating on and practicing ways make peace with this predicament. There is no perfect answer.  

Relevantly, there was a classic example of this years ago in Haiti when a pulled back scene revealed multiple photographers covering one death. https://prisonphotography.org/2010/03/18/photographing-fabienne-part-nine-interview-with-nathan-weber/ 

Anyways, it's a bit beside the point - AI imaging is about to obliterate the photography market except for the documentary medium which is always tepid anyways) and those who do it simply out of joy. The provenance of images proof here is actually a significant thing I hope all digital cameras come to adopt because it's about to be worth something when almost any digital image you see pretty soon could look like a photograph and yet be a totally generated picture. 

Edited October 20, 2022 by pgh

[Chimichurri]

On 10/19/2022 at 10:57 PM, pgh said:

days), AI imaging is going to toss the photography world and industry on its head - especially illustration/studio and advertising work. 

This guy is already being shared on Instagram as “Photography” by photography collectives. And everyone says “wow. Nice photo!”

Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here…

Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members!

 

 

all you have to do is learn the search keywords in midjourney and be Steve McCurry in a day. 

Edited October 22, 2022 by Chimichurri

[pgh]

Advertisement (gone after registration)

It's crazy how good this tech is getting and how fast it is happening. I don't think the visual industries are ready for it. 

Lots of designers, illustrators, photographers and even writers about are about to have their entire world flipped on its head, and most will be out of a job before too long - at best their job will drastically change from creator to curator.