Hacker Posted September 14, 2007 Share #21 Posted September 14, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Back to the CV15. For those with the Milich hood and filter, when not in use how are you storing this lens. Have you found a suitable lenscap and leave the hood on? A fellow forum member here showed me his CV15 with the cap: Caps - Schneider Optics Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sean_reid Posted September 14, 2007 Share #22 Posted September 14, 2007 Did you review the Nokton SC or the MC version? I'm quite surprised that the CV 15 rivals the WATE. MC version. There are a lot of CV and Zeiss lenses that rival Leica lenses in many respects. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted September 14, 2007 Share #23 Posted September 14, 2007 A fellow forum member here showed me his CV15 with the cap: Caps - Schneider Optics Anyone know what size Schneider cap fits the Militch hood? Woody Spedden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
voightL Posted September 14, 2007 Share #24 Posted September 14, 2007 Anyone know what size Schneider cap fits the Militch hood? Woody Spedden 68mm but need to trim a little to let it seat nicely. 69mm would be ideal but can't find 69mm cap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggie_O Posted September 14, 2007 Share #25 Posted September 14, 2007 I'm surprised about the CV 21s- I've got one of each (LTM and P) and they both performed fantasticlly. I'm keeping the LTM, because it's even better with the coded Milich LT-M8 adapter. I guess this brings up CV QC questions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidStone Posted September 14, 2007 Share #26 Posted September 14, 2007 I'm surprised about the CV 21s- I've got one of each (LTM and P) and they both performed fantasticlly. I'm keeping the LTM, because it's even better with the coded Milich LT-M8 adapter. I guess this brings up CV QC questions? I think perhaps it might. I have the CV21 and would not swap it. The results are excellent in a range of subjects - significantly better than are shown in Sean's reviews. The reason, possibly, is that I don't take shots of flat surfaces, so the elements that appear in the centre and corners are not usually in the same plane. And I tend not to use it a full aperture. After reading the latest review, I took today a range of tests with this lens at f/4 and f/8 of the same object (the window of a house) at about 150 metres range, five shots at each aperture, placing it in the centre of the frame, then at each corner. The results are quite interesting, but I have no other 21mm lens to compare it with. At f/4 the definition is very good in the centre, quite good in the corners, with the exception of top left, which is a bit softer. At f/8, it's still very good on centre, and the corners are well up to standard. If anyone's interested, I can post the 100% crops (all ten if you wish) if someone will tell me how to extract a 100% crop from the whole frame (do I just take a screen shot?) David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 15, 2007 Share #27 Posted September 15, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm surprised about the CV 21s- I've got one of each (LTM and P) and they both performed fantasticlly. I'm keeping the LTM, because it's even better with the coded Milich LT-M8 adapter. I guess this brings up CV QC questions? That could be and I discussed that in the article. I've tested three samples of the 21 Skopar so far and will be testing two more. Clearly, and as I wrote about in the review, the LTM mount of the Skopar is a real asset for coding. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 15, 2007 Share #28 Posted September 15, 2007 I can post the 100% crops (all ten if you wish) if someone will tell me how to extract a 100% crop from the whole frame (do I just take a screen shot?) David Just magnify the file to 100% size in Photoshop and crop a section at a size we can see on-screen. Obviously, it shouldn't be resized. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodyspedden Posted September 15, 2007 Share #29 Posted September 15, 2007 68mm but need to trim a little to let it seat nicely. 69mm would be ideal but can't find 69mm cap. Thanks for the info I appreciate your help Woody Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominic Posted September 15, 2007 Share #30 Posted September 15, 2007 "I'm quite surprised that the CV 15 rivals the WATE" -------------- Me too! I was disappointed by my CV15, not by my CV21. The reason is quite simple : there is no way to focus accurately with the 15 : the lens is not coupled with the rangefinder...! I have not tried the new Tri-elmar but I know that the the lens is coupled :-))) BTW the CV15 was FTM-tested by the french review Chasseur d'images : poor resolution and huge vignetting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TEBnewyork Posted September 15, 2007 Share #31 Posted September 15, 2007 68mm but need to trim a little to let it seat nicely. 69mm would be ideal but can't find 69mm cap. Darn, should have kept my D2 lens cap which is 69mm! Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 15, 2007 Share #32 Posted September 15, 2007 "I'm quite surprised that the CV 15 rivals the WATE"-------------- Me too! I was disappointed by my CV15, not by my CV21. The reason is quite simple : there is no way to focus accurately with the 15 : the lens is not coupled with the rangefinder...! Of course, that's a natural disadvantage of both the CV 15 and Zeiss 15. People who read my review of ultra-wides know that this issue of RF-coupling was stressed there. But both lenses, when and if focused correctly, are excellent performers, as numerous posts on this forum (and my own testing) confirm. Do a search for CV 15, Voigtlander 15, etc. for many examples and further discussion. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dseelig Posted September 15, 2007 Share #33 Posted September 15, 2007 When the voigtlander is guess focused correctly it is a very nice lens. But I am now getting a wate so mine will be sold and unlike my problem with the nokton it is nice and small. Great lens . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradreiman Posted September 15, 2007 Share #34 Posted September 15, 2007 When the voigtlander is guess focused correctly it is a very nice lens. But I am now getting a wate so mine will be sold and unlike my problem with the nokton it is nice and small. Great lens . you don't have to guess focus it, you scale focus it. this is not guessing, i would guess...B Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cme4brain Posted September 15, 2007 Share #35 Posted September 15, 2007 Did you review the Nokton SC or the MC version? I'm quite surprised that the CV 15 rivals the WATE. I am not surprised the CV 15 rivals the WATE. The objective difference between some of the CV or Zeiss lenses compared to Leica Glass is trivial compared to the cost difference, IMHO for my level of photography. While I have the money for this hobby, I just cannot bring myself to justify a ten times greater cost (in some cases) for incremental improvement. If you are a professional and make your living with the M8 and make 20X30 enlargements all day long and need to squeeze out every possible line pair/mm and microcontrast difference, then go for Leica glass. But for me, CV and Zeiss is just fine. In fact, I wonder in a double blind study whether most could tell the print difference betwen any of the three lens makers more than 50% of the time in real-world non-studio pictures. A fast moving wedding with imprecise focusing would obliterate any lens difference, I would bet my Benz payment (which is paid off, so it would cost me nothing, LOL). I may get one of the new Summarits once Sean Reid tests them- we will see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted September 15, 2007 Share #36 Posted September 15, 2007 I am not surprised the CV 15 rivals the WATE. The objective difference between some of the CV or Zeiss lenses compared to Leica Glass is trivial compared to the cost difference, IMHO for my level of photography. I'm starting to see the folly of my ways. I stumbled upon this site and others as I'm a newbie to RF, and did not know a whole deal about compatible lenses. Now I know of course. For the 21mm, I think the 1 stop difference is important to me, and therefore, I'm starting to look at the Biogon 21 and 28mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted September 16, 2007 Share #37 Posted September 16, 2007 If you are a professional and make your living with the M8 and make 20X30 enlargements all day long and need to squeeze out every possible line pair/mm and microcontrast difference, then go for Leica glass. Hi Lloyd, Actually, professional photographers are some of the last people to worry about MTF numbers, etc. and most of them shoot with DSLRs and use lenses that don't perform nearly as well as those by CV, Leica and Zeiss. I'm a working pro, as you know, and some of my lenses are CV. It's a myth that professional photographers are obsessed with lenses, per se. The best ones are obsessed with pictures. If a given lens helps to make the kinds of pictures a given professional wants, then its a good lens for him or her. Cheers, Sean Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stnami Posted September 16, 2007 Share #38 Posted September 16, 2007 It's a myth that professional photographers are obsessed with lenses, per se. The best ones are obsessed with pictures. If a given lens helps to make the kinds of pictures a given professional wants, then its a good lens for him or her............ best comment on this forum that I have read for a while Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lars_bergquist Posted September 16, 2007 Share #39 Posted September 16, 2007 I'm starting to see the folly of my ways. I stumbled upon this site and others as I'm a newbie to RF, and did not know a whole deal about compatible lenses. Now I know of course. For the 21mm, I think the 1 stop difference is important to me, and therefore, I'm starting to look at the Biogon 21 and 28mm. If you do stumble upon a good 21mm Elmarit (pre-ASPH.) then do not sell it short. I found it better than the CV, especially on the FF. It has just returned from Solms, freshly coded. The old man from the Pre-Aspherical Age Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominic Posted September 16, 2007 Share #40 Posted September 16, 2007 "It's a myth that professional photographers are obsessed with lenses, per se. The best ones are obsessed with pictures. If a given lens helps to make the kinds of pictures a given professional wants, then its a good lens for him or her. " """""""""" I quite agree. But if you cover a wedding with a 400D and a Tamron lens 28-75 ( my equipment in reflex!) and if the brother of the bride has a 1Ds with a 28-70 L, you look rather ridiculous :-)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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