Paul B Posted February 1, 2022 Share #1 Posted February 1, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hello one and all, having recently made the upgrade to the Q2 from the superb Q116 I have encountered a few problems, The first is while taking a photograph of a moving subject (car) with the camera set at 2000 sec, AFC, tracking, high speed continuous, and using a Sandisk Extreme Pro 170mb/s 64 g card I press the shutter at the desired point but the image is captured maybe 1/4 second after that, so the car is 1/2 out of the frame? when you look through the viewfinder the image is sort of there but you cannot see the car moving through the frame? I wish these manufacturers would provide an instruction book, the excuse I was given on the phone was "to be friendly to the environment as no one uses a book, just downloads it" or as I said just LEICA penny-pinching!! and yes I asked them to send me one. That's my first problem so I hope someone can shed some light on this problem? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kirkmc Posted February 1, 2022 Share #2 Posted February 1, 2022 You have to go to where the puck is going, not where it is. I think this is user error; you shot too late. Think how long - in fractions of a second - it takes from the time you go to press the shutter button and when it is actually pressed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul B Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share #3 Posted February 1, 2022 I have been taking photographs of moving objects for a long time so its not me! I do know what I am doing and your method is not the way to do it ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkmc Posted February 1, 2022 Share #4 Posted February 1, 2022 Were you planning when you shot? If so, then the car can’t really be out of the frame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul B Posted February 1, 2022 Author Share #5 Posted February 1, 2022 Dear Kirk its not me!! its the camera and i do not know why!! thats why I posted on here!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
liggy Posted February 1, 2022 Share #6 Posted February 1, 2022 (edited) I haven’t tried any continuous shooting with the Q2 yet but that Sandisk card is really slow. It’s UHS-1 and will lock up my Fujis on burst shooting. Do you have any fast V90 UhS-II cards on hand you can try? Regarding the manual - I prefer a pdf that I can always refer to on my phone or iPad. And a printed manual is out of date as soon as a firmware update makes changes. Leica recommends UHS-II cards. Honestly I don’t think this is a camera particularly well suited to burst captures or continuous autofocus but that’s just my opinion. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 1, 2022 by liggy 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/329352-leica-q2-shutter-image-capture/?do=findComment&comment=4373976'>More sharing options...
Chun Chang Posted February 1, 2022 Share #7 Posted February 1, 2022 Advertisement (gone after registration) There is an element of anticipation that must be exercised in timing. All cameras have some degree of shutter lag. Some worse than others. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
liggy Posted February 1, 2022 Share #8 Posted February 1, 2022 I just noticed this resource here on the site. https://www.l-camera-forum.com/sd-card-leica/ My other cameras require V90 UHS-II cards and I’ve had good success with the Sony Tough G, the ProGrade 300mb and Sandisk 300mb cards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul B Posted February 12, 2022 Author Share #9 Posted February 12, 2022 Just goes to show where all the so called experts are on here! only ONE answer that makes any sense! Thanks for that answer, but i did expect more! And i found out the answer myself! I am not a digital master and more a film person but I think I worked it out!! And i did not need to use post shot manipulation ! like it appears most use! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedivv Posted February 15, 2022 Share #10 Posted February 15, 2022 Congratulations on your camera. Finally, I am interested in the answer you found. Please share. Sometimes the love of camera means blaming the users. Don't bother with the paper manual. After the update, many things, including AF and EVF behavior, changed and these changes are not reflected in the manual. Q2 is a great camera, but has many limitations. In a way, it is a user problem on you: nothing to do with with your technique, but the might be fact you are expecting more than what Q2 is capable of. There seems to be some lagging with EVF. It is especially noticeable when you shoot dark scenes. Perhaps one way to isolate the problem is try shooting with both the screen and EVF, to see if the lag is attributed to EVF lag, not AF speed. Also, Q2's AF tracking is pretty bad. I have tried different techniques with my Q2. While single AF is pretty fast, continuous AFc simply does not work. The tracking process might contribute to the shutter lag that you experienced as well. The SD card doesn't matter for what you are doing, since images are first stored in the buffer. It is annoying to use slow card because it takes a long time to clear buffer. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegml Posted February 15, 2022 Share #11 Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/12/2022 at 4:37 PM, Paul B said: Just goes to show where all the so called experts are on here! only ONE answer that makes any sense! Thanks for that answer, but i did expect more! And i found out the answer myself! I am not a digital master and more a film person but I think I worked it out!! And i did not need to use post shot manipulation ! like it appears most use! Please tell us the answer to the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
viramati Posted February 15, 2022 Share #12 Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) I wonder if it could be something to do with the fact that leica use contrast detection focusing only unlike my Sony's which use a hybrid of phase detection and contrast detection which is much better at tracking (especially my A9 with lock on tracking). With the way the lens pulses in and out in tracking I'm thinking this may add some lag for objects moving across the frame. Just a thought Edited February 15, 2022 by viramati Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
liggy Posted February 16, 2022 Share #13 Posted February 16, 2022 1 hour ago, viramati said: I wonder if it could be something to do with the fact that leica use contrast detection focusing only unlike my Sony's which use a hybrid of phase detection and contrast detection which is much better at tracking (especially my A9 with lock on tracking). With the way the lens pulses in and out in tracking I'm thinking this may add some lag for objects moving across the frame. Just a thought You're probably onto something with this. I have an A1 so there's really no reason to even think about using the Q2 for anything that moves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelu2010 Posted February 21, 2022 Share #14 Posted February 21, 2022 Here you can order the printed version of the manual. And I also tested the continues mode with 1/15 or 1/8 second and cars. with the 300/mb as card I have no complains with the camera. https://havecamerawilltravel.com/fastest-sd-cards/ But the camera is indeed not as fast as a Sony A1 or the other cameras that came out after the q2 was published. Guess the next version of the camera is for you then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhotoCruiser Posted February 21, 2022 Share #15 Posted February 21, 2022 Am 1.2.2022 um 10:15 schrieb Paul B: AFC, tracking Is the photo taken and then saved to the card or taken when the file is saved? Guess the first one. I think that the problem is rather the tracking AF and not the card but I don't use tracking AF so I never experienced that. I tried tacking AF with several cameras but the result was not too great so I stopped to use it. A slow card would create problems in burst mode after the first shots but I don't think it will delay the actual moment when the shutter button is pressed. That's the reason why I use UHS-II cards even if I rarely use burst mode. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul B Posted February 21, 2022 Author Share #16 Posted February 21, 2022 6 hours ago, PhotoCruiser said: Is the photo taken and then saved to the card or taken when the file is saved? Guess the first one. I think that the problem is rather the tracking AF and not the card but I don't use tracking AF so I never experienced that. I tried tacking AF with several cameras but the result was not too great so I stopped to use it. A slow card would create problems in burst mode after the first shots but I don't think it will delay the actual moment when the shutter button is pressed. That's the reason why I use UHS-II cards even if I rarely use burst mode. Chris Hello Chris i think you could be on the right track here, the focus tracking AFs mode i think is rubbish and is very random and nothing like the Nikon d5 i have which is spot on all the time but it should be a lot better for a camera with such price tag! I know maybe its not a sport type camera but I expect it to be a lot faster and more linner!.I plan to conduct some tests with it on a tripod with an items traveling into the screen and change settings SD cards Focus mode etc etc and just see if i can draw a conclusion and then confront Leica with the findings, this camera should be perfect and free from any problems and I consider this to be a BIG one !! Just out of interest is there a telephone number you can call Leica either in the UK or Germany and get some answers from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazookajoe Posted February 22, 2022 Share #17 Posted February 22, 2022 18 hours ago, Paul B said: Hello Chris i think you could be on the right track here, the focus tracking AFs mode i think is rubbish and is very random and nothing like the Nikon d5 i have which is spot on all the time but it should be a lot better for a camera with such price tag! I know maybe its not a sport type camera but I expect it to be a lot faster and more linner!.I plan to conduct some tests with it on a tripod with an items traveling into the screen and change settings SD cards Focus mode etc etc and just see if i can draw a conclusion and then confront Leica with the findings, this camera should be perfect and free from any problems and I consider this to be a BIG one !! Just out of interest is there a telephone number you can call Leica either in the UK or Germany and get some answers from? Guess what? Things like AF-C, face detection, and auto ISO are probably always going to lag behind the competition; or remain, in your words, 'rubbish.' That's not what Leica are known for. Even their AF speeds -although plenty quick enough for me- are nowhere near the competition's speeds. It's doesn't even have phase detection AF. I really don't know anyone who bought a Leica for any of those features. If they did, they bought the wrong camera. If you like to shoot with many of your functions set manually, and you like an unobtrusive, discreet shooting experience that generates beautiful images that can be cropped quite a bit if necessary, than the Q2 might work for you. Your D5 is a great tool for capturing fast moving images, but it's big, bulky, and sounds like a machine gun when in burst mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul B Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share #18 Posted February 25, 2022 After taking a few photographs this afternoon I may have found the reason, but I still am not 100% sure! I have now installed a "Pro Grade" sd/xc v90, 128gb, 300M/Bs SD card. Camera setting 1000sec F4 apature, 400 iso, Drive mode Continuous HIGH speed , focus AFc, Tracing, RAW With these settings it appears the photographs are taken and stored ok, All of them are in focus pin sharp and exposure was correct, the object was moving at about 50mph and the shutter was pressed and held down when the subject was about 75% through the fram which equals about 5 frames . BUT when you change the Drive mode to VERY HIGH SPEED it cannot handle it at all, the images are vastly overexposed, and the images that are captured are not in sequence and almost random or it jumps so the order you expect them to be, ie 1,2,3,4, etc is not correct ! so maybe this is the route cause of the problem? I am going to go back and use a slower sd card again and also use the above settings but change to jpeg. Just on a foot note to this i made a personal comment on an image that was posted on here and have got a lot ridicule for my comments! I have good eye for photographs and chose not to publish my photographs due to having them stolen and used by other companies as their own, and never getting the rewards£ This platform is for people openly express their feelings, be them good or bad! There is I think, and have experienced it in real in the past that people who own a Leica are !! I think I will stop there as I am totally fed up the "key board worriers" and dont want to get more lines of words! "my heart goes out to all the people in the Ukraine and my your god protect you" And one very special ladyXX Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegml Posted February 28, 2022 Share #19 Posted February 28, 2022 Show us a few examples. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul B Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share #20 Posted February 28, 2022 4 hours ago, mikegml said: Show us a few examples. Sorry they have been deleted, why keep them? images half ot the frame etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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