Could/Should the M11 be the new M2/M4/M6 reporter camera?

[Herr Barnack]

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1 hour ago, pgh said:

Yea - that's a pretty out of touch opinion. Nothing against the Turnleys but one of them just retired from a tenured job after teaching at university for about a decade, so there is a cozy retirement cushion there more than likely. And in regards to Ukraine - there is much better, much more important work coming out of there. Good work in the past doesn't mean it's being done now.  And frame grabs can be powerful images. David Leeson was doing that more than a decade ago because it was good enough resolution for newsprint even then - not that you can do good work shooting continuously without skill - you still have to have skill. 

Easy to criticize these actual working journalists who live on a shoestring budget (not the pensioned Turnleys who are from a different time and still working like it is that time, when it is not) with editors demanding wide edits of coverage. The elitism in this forum never ceases to amaze me. The user base holding opinions so comically divorced from the reality of the profession the brand used to hold much higher relevance in. Yes, some people still use Leicas - hell, I even used one on my last shoot for the Guardian as well, but this is slow work and it's niche work and when it comes to general assignment stuff they're just a poor tool, not matter how fun they are to use. When we can afford to, and then also practically use an M on assignment we are lucky in all manners and it is a luxury in all ways because they are simply not nearly as versatile enough to meet the needs of many sorts of work and editors would demand. 

But okay, I'll get off your lawn now.

Regarding the Turnley brothers, whatever financial compensation they have received from their photographic endeavors I have no doubt that they earned it the old fashioned way - by actually working for it.  That gives no rational, objective person grounds to malign either of them.

If the out of touchness and elitism you claim is rampant on this forum is so singularly abhorrent to your sensibilities, I'm sure that Andreas would be willing to delete your account.  That way, you would no be subjected to our nonsense which causes umbrage to your vastly superior intellect.

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Edited March 31, 2022 by Herr Barnack

[pgh]

18 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said:

If the out of touchness and elitism you claim is rampant on this forum is so singularly abhorrent to your sensibilities, I'm sure that Andreas would be willing to delete your account.  That way, you would no be subjected to our nonsense which causes umbrage to your vastly superior intellect.

Hope this helps... 😊

Nah I think it's probably a good thing that a pleb chimes in here once in awhile. I'm not claiming any superior intellect in any way, merely stating an opinion from a viewpoint that is apparently in short(er) supply, at least in this corner of the internet. 

If my account on the central place where the cameras are discussed is worth deleting over such an opinion, then the brand has bigger problems than I had imagined.

[pgh]

1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

I know a few that use like in the was.

there is an Italian press photographer that got saved by a bullet that was stopped by the Leica Q2. 

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Fwiw, the Q and the SL line aren't being discussed in the same way. They are better tools for the jobs, though still a stretch for most budgets. That Sony probably comes out a good bit more often still. 

[adan]

pgh - I'd just mildly point out that it's a mistake to assume that daily news-gathering is the be-all and end-all of photo reportage.

As we in the business know, no matter the camera, 99% of that photography (being generous) is usually seen today, wrapping plaice-&-chips tomorrow, and forgotten thereafter.

Lasting and truly influential reportage is "lasting" because it's the 1% that gets (re)published in books and prints and exhibitions and collections.

And it is usually pictures or stories that are so "up-close-and-personal" that a Leica M with a 21-90 is as good a tool as any.

A "journalistic piece" I'm working on right now for the gallery. Will be a 3D assembly. All Leica M10.

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