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I currently have an MD-262 and M246. I really love the shooting experience with the MD-262 but don't love the low-light performance on it. I have the monochrom for that, I suppose though. 

 

But I've been thinking about swapping both for an M10-D to get the screenless shooting experience and the low-light performance of the M10-series. 

 

Good idea? Bad idea? 

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11 hours ago, bcapphoto said:

One just came up for sale which is why I'm interested again LOL 

I've just changed from 262 to 10-D.  It was a hard decision and I had them both for a short time whilst I decided which to keep.  But absolutely no regrets and I'm over the moon with the 10-D.  For my personal circumstances, Main reasons (and list of differences as I see them) were :

  • Both are beautiful, D-262 being BP is probably nicer to look at in terms of finish 
  • The thinner profile, to me, made a really nice difference  
  • Shutter button press / sound on 10-D is totally different same as 10-P 
  • I have actually used fotos more than anticipated, only for reviewing images at a cafe after a shoot etc. But IMO it's not clunky at all as reputation suggests and has been handy 
  • I have test run using the photos app as an image review tool whilst shooting (eg for when working with a client) recently and performs really well , using a phone or iPad is fine for this - which means best of both worlds for me as I don't want a screen day to day but will find this very useful when shooting something where image review is preferred
  • Battery lasts forever on D-262 as you know. However without the screen it's not a bad battery life on the 10 either .  I hear it might be drained if using fotos often but lately since I've 'discovered' how handy fotos can be, I haven't noticed excessive battery drain at all (this may change if you are literally using fotos for live view - I am not and I doubt you are either)
  • I actually really like the controversial 'faux advance lever' overall (kinda looks cool and have used it occasionally in portrait orientation) but I'm not as passionate about that design feature as I am about :
  • Thinner profile is really awesome 
  • Did I mention the shutter 

If you would like the true purist experience (which I fully respect that some do and I also really enjoyed) then of course the D-262 is the obvious choice.  But If you feel the image review may be handy from time to time (and for me it is) then the 10-D is amazing.  For me personally the thinner body and shutter were enough , and the smooth foto review when needed was just a nice surprise.  

In fairness as others have mentioned they almost don't sit in the same product category, with the 262 being so pure and the 10-D being bells and whistles comparatively .  So I would've happily kept both but couldn't really justify it in terms of $$ and usage . 

 

 

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vor 3 Minuten schrieb grahamc:

I've just changed from 262 to 10-D.  It was a hard decision and I had them both for a short time whilst I decided which to keep.  But absolutely no regrets and I'm over the moon with the 10-D.  For my personal circumstances, Main reasons (and list of differences as I see them) were :

  • Both are beautiful, D-262 being BP is probably nicer to look at in terms of finish 
  • The thinner profile, to me, made a really nice difference and after having them both for a short time I was just reaching for the 10 every time.
  • Shutter button press / sound on 10-D is totally different 
  • I have actually used fotos more than anticipated, even if only for reviewing images when bored at a cafe after a shoot. But IMO it's not clunky at all as reputation suggests 
  • I have test run using the photos app as an image review tool whilst shooting (eg for when working with a client) recently and performers really well , using a phone or iPad is fine for this - which best of both worlds for me as I don't want a screen day to day but will find this very useful when shooting something where image review is preferred (haven't done so yet due to ongoing Covid lockdown)
  • Battery lasts forever on D-262 as you know. However without the screen it's not a bad battery life on the 10 either .  I hear it might be drained if using fotos often but lately since I've 'discovered' how handy fotos can be, I haven't noticed excessive battery drain at all (this may change if you are literally using fotos for live view - I am not and I doubt you are either)
  • I actually really like the controversial 'faux advance lever' overall (kinda looks cool and have used it occasionally in portrait orientation) but I'm not as passionate about that design feature as I am about :
  • Thinner profile is really awesome 
  • Did I mention the shutter 

If you would like the true purist experience (which I fully respect that some do and I also really enjoyed) then of course the D-262 is the obvious choice.  But If you feel the image review may be handy from time to time (and for me it is) then the 10-D is amazing.  For me personally the thinner body and shutter were enough to prefer the 10-D and the smooth foto review when needed was just a nice surprises.  

In fairness as others have mentioned they almost don't sit in the same product category, with the 262 being so pure and the 10-D being bells and whistles comparatively .  So I would've happily kept both but couldn't really justify it in terms of $$ and usage . 

 

 

Very well described Graham! I also switched from the 262 to the M10-D because of the better low light performance. I am very happy with the decision and, I agree with Graham, the „faux advance lever“ is very useful while shooting. For portrait photography I often use the app with an ipad. It works not bad, my only issue is that you loose the connection between camera und ipad/iphone very often and you have to renew the connection. Maybe the new EVF would be a good choice for these situations. But I love the natural colors of the M10-D, there is almost no need for a time consuming post production. 

To sum up: if you find a M10-D, get one and enjoy it! You will not regret it!

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To sum up: if you find a M10-D, get one and enjoy it! You will not regret it!

Thanks @benqui.  I agree !    To be honest (and I hope Leica sales team aren't reading this) the realisation that I can use this camera pretty seamlessly for image-review type shooting when needed has saved me buying a second body with screen, for now .      On the bright side if Leica are reading this I would absolutely buy 10-M-D, 11-D, and 11-M-D .. so please don't stop this amazing series 🤣

 

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I also made the move from M-D 262 to M10-d and can agree with the posts above. Still the M-D 262 is a wonderful camera and I personally did prefer the iso button on the back and the faster boot up time and lack of any wifi option. Apart from that, the M10-D is the better camera for me and the connection to the foto app and also the possibility of using an Visoflex makes it a bit more versatile e.g.when using a tripod (it is my only digital camera). 

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vor 20 Stunden schrieb bcapphoto:

One just came up for sale which is why I'm interested again LOL 

just get it as long as you can - i can fully recommend it (despite some hickups i had experienced here and there and wrote about in the past).  i try to avoid photos and use it solely for syncing date&time once in a while.

the M10-D brings photography pure, no technical schnick schnack whatsoever, no distractions, just pure concentration on workflow and 'sujet' - which is our focus of artistic interest anyway, right ?

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6 hours ago, poli said:

I also made the move from M-D 262 to M10-d and can agree with the posts above. Still the M-D 262 is a wonderful camera and I personally did prefer the iso button on the back and the faster boot up time and lack of any wifi option. Apart from that, the M10-D is the better camera for me and the connection to the foto app and also the possibility of using an Visoflex makes it a bit more versatile e.g.when using a tripod (it is my only digital camera). 

That’s a good point the ISO on the back is lovely I had forgotten to mention that. Both beautiful and unique cameras 

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3 minutes ago, bcapphoto said:

Question - would you give up an MD262 and M246 Monochrom for an M10D? Because THAT'S the decision I'm trying to make 😬 LOL 

I own an M10-D and M10M. It's an impossible question to answer without knowing how important Monochrom shooting is to you. The M10-D is a fantastic camera but right now you own two great cameras. You won't necessarily get better pictures from an M10-D over what you have now (except perhaps in low light situations) and you would be giving up all the benefits of a dedicated monochrom camera to boot.

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I feel like that changes things.  
 

When I had both for a short time it was still really sad letting the D-262 go.  
 

Letting 2 cameras go for the 10-D when you already have the D-262 , that’s a big call I think.  
 

If you don’t mind the extra width of these body shapes I’d say stick with what you have.  The 246 has such a good rep too so that’s a lovely pair of cameras 

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2 minutes ago, egrossman said:

I own an M10-D and M10M. It's an impossible question to answer without knowing how important Monochrom shooting is to you. The M10-D is a fantastic camera but right now you own two great cameras. You won't necessarily get better pictures from an M10-D over what you have now (except perhaps in low light situations) and you would be giving up all the benefits of a dedicated monochrom camera to boot.

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Agreed. The pictures are going to be identical. It’s handling and convenience is the difference on the 10 IMO 

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Believe me if you have both in your hands at the same time you would be swooning for one one second and the other the next second. They are “different”, it’s nothing like having the 10 completely steals the show from 262. 
 

I say stick. It would be harsh losing 2 beautiful cameras IMO especially based on images I see people making with the 246 

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For me, the benefit is simplicity. Right now, I constantly battle (myself) with which of the 2 to pick up. 

 

  • Will I be shooting low-light? Grab the M246. 
  • Do I want colour? Grab the MD262. 
  • Will my wife want colour photos of these (LOL)? Grab the MD262. 
  • Do I want to shoot it in dedicated B&W? Grab the M246. 

 

So on and so forth. 

 

Right now, the core reasons to grab the M246 is either b/c I want to shoot it in B&W or I know I'll need the low-light performance. 

 

Grabbing the M10D at least eliminates 1 of those. I can be confident in the M10D in low-light in a way I cannot be confident in my MD262 in low-light. Hmmm ... 

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