Sony A9/A1 + 28mm 1.4 Summilux

[LBJ2]

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On 3/20/2021 at 6:39 AM, dancook said:

Just about to buy a couple of Sony A1 and I went an ordered a techart Leica-M to Sony AF adapter.

I currently have 21 SEM, 35 FLE and 50 1.4 ASPH

I understand FLE does not play well with the adapter, but I've always wanted the 28mm 1.4 anyway!

Anybody using that lens on Sony, how's it looking?

 

In the past I wouldn't have considered it, but I've recently moved over from lightroom to DXO Photolab - the Sony colours and output have been much preferable through DXO - I even use the Leica M9 colour profile, and it looks good 

Dan, I read your experiment with DXO on the other forum. Interesting to see the samples you posted. I find the yellow wall in those sample images overwhelming but even then, the samples you posted I do see the nuances especially in skin tone. Glad to see you found a raw processor that meets your color expectations with Sony cameras. I am not sure many understand just how much the raw processor influences what we see in our images default or edited. Looking forward to hear how you experience A1 colors with DXO Photolab. 

[dancook]

8 minutes ago, Steven said:

I myself didn’t realize it had such a big impact. Very curious now. 
 

Which one do you use yourself for Sony ? Cause I’m not liking what I’m seeing from LR. 

Here's some samples

A9 + 50mm 1.4 ZA

order shown is

Lightroom - Adobe Color
Lightroom - Color Fidelity Standard V2 (third party profile)
DXO - Default
DXO - Hasselblad X1D Profile

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and a crazy ISO (128000 'pushed') sample using DeepPrime

another ISO sample, deepprime on a ISO 12800

Edited March 21, 2021 by dancook

[LBJ2]

21 minutes ago, Steven said:

I myself didn’t realize it had such a big impact. Very curious now. 
 

Which one do you use yourself for Sony ? Cause I’m not liking what I’m seeing from LR. 

Primarily Adobe, but I also use DXO Photolab and some other processors depending on what I need to do. I've never been able to get on with the C1 interface and I rarely stick with the default profiles of any of these raw processors. But even before I fire the shutter I have a habit of never using AWB, never using any in camera color settings. I like a neutral profile as my base for Sony cameras regardless of the raw processor. 

[Dennis]

2 hours ago, LBJ2 said:

Sounds like you are getting ready to embark on an exciting adventure. I have a lot of experience with the Techart. First, it really does work with many M lenses! Second, I found Techart AF is allergic to strong backlighting and distance but you can pretty easily swap over to the adapters MF dial in those scenarios. I ended up selling my Techart as I much prefer to MF Leica lenses on Sony bodies for many reasons to include incredible EVF resolution. The Sony A1's EVF is an off the charts 9.44 million dot OLED, so MF with that EVF must be something to behold. Currently I'm stuck with a mere 5.46 million dot EVF on the A7rIV  ha ha.

I use 24 lux, 35 FLE, 50 lux and Noctilux and 90/2 adapted to the A7rIV for now with little to no penalty IMO. However, I do prefer to use the M10 with my M lenses. But good to know I can easily swap between systems since I often work with both systems. * 1/8000th is really nice when using the 50 0,95 on the A7rIV avoiding the ND for most wide open scenarios. The A1 provides for even more carefree wide-open shooting! 

Sony Alpha and Leica M can perfectly coexist. Different tools for different scenarios. It seems it works great for you

[Dennis]

1 hour ago, dancook said:

and a crazy ISO (128000 'pushed') sample using DeepPrime

Amazing. C1 is a wonderful editing software. It just lacks of a de-noise like this, well for me. If one shoot often at high ISO.

Can you for example work on C1, export, a de-noise the jpegs, like Nik Collection Define?

Edited March 21, 2021 by Dennis

[dancook]

2 minutes ago, Dennis said:

Amazing. C1 is a wonderful editing software. It just lacks of a de-noise like this, well for me. If one shoot often at high ISO.

Can you for example work on C1, export, a de-noise the jpegs, like Nik Collection Define?

DXO will only do deepNoise on RAW

You could use Topaz Denoise possibly..

Prefer DXO as I can do it alongside processing and it's quicker

[Dennis]

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10 minutes ago, dancook said:

You could use Topaz Denoise possibly..

I used the trial. Better than C1, but not as good as DeepPrime

[Ko.Fe.]

9 hours ago, Steven said:

This sounds great, but you can have the same experience with way better results on an SL2S than on a Canon RP or Sony A1... 

 

My local experience with Canon RP is great. It is camera by manufacturer which has up to date level of support within short drive from home.  Leica has none. But I'm glad to have couple of M cameras. This is unique and only experience I'm willing to have with Leica Camera AG. 

 

[mmradman]

For those who remember film one cartridge was 36 frames (there was also economical 24 frames version), when on budget you could agonise for days and weeks before pressing the shutter.  Appreciate superlative AF but not sure how 30fps is going to advance photography, even classic cine was shot at 24 FPS.

[mmradman]

1 hour ago, Steven said:

Sports.

Not disputing that for moment, only questioning sanity of such approach.

What do I know with my pedestrian 99.7% single frame shooting style, remaining 0.3% are once a year to check that fast shooting setting works 😅.

[dancook]

The AF performance of the techart on the Sony A9 (sony A1 in the post) is amazing.. (not like native, but when compared to how you think it might be)

CAF, Tracking, Eye detect - it's not going to track moving towards the camera as fast as a native lens, but it's very impressive!

 

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Edited March 29, 2021 by dancook

[dancook]

1 hour ago, Steven said:

Nice. What lens is that ? the 28 lux? 

Yes it is, 

*snip* i had problems after updating to FW7, back to 6 and it's fine - i think 7 is only for A7R4.. and does not contain a cumulative update.

Edited March 29, 2021 by dancook

[dancook]

On 3/22/2021 at 9:31 PM, mmradman said:

Not disputing that for moment, only questioning sanity of such approach.

What do I know with my pedestrian 99.7% single frame shooting style, remaining 0.3% are once a year to check that fast shooting setting works 😅.

You don't need to take 30 photos every second, you can do tiny bursts - it can be the difference between having a ball in the shot and not

As I've got a bit more conservative with my sports shooting, I've gone from 10fps to 20fps - I don't think I'm taking any more images, perhaps less even.

20fps was particularly handy when I photographed a squash player from the front as they hit the ball, 30fps would have been better

Edited March 29, 2021 by dancook

[mmradman]

2 hours ago, dancook said:

You don't need to take 30 photos every second, you can do tiny bursts - it can be the difference between having a ball in the shot and not

As I've got a bit more conservative with my sports shooting, I've gone from 10fps to 20fps - I don't think I'm taking any more images, perhaps less even.

20fps was particularly handy when I photographed a squash player from the front as they hit the ball, 30fps would have been better

First, like your dog pictures, some of the nicest technically with Summilux M 28mm.  Perhaps Leica need to take a long hard look where they going with their cameras (we all agree optics is excellent).

If M lens can be auto focused on a third party camera with third party AF adaptor with results that rival manual focus with RF than RF camera needs a bit of a leg up into focusing department.  To make it absolutely clear I don’t advocate M camera with AF  capability for a second, instead some sort of electronic focus confirmation would go a long way towards maximum utilisation of M lenses, also IBIS.

Many years ago as a student I was taking sport pictures with Practica camera fitted with 50mm lens, som indoor some outdoor, even at 1 frame per wind I managed to capture the moment that mattered to people who were photographed.  

Not disputing that demands for sport photographer have  moved up a bit, good to know that tools exist and as you say one can shoot at any speed from 1-30 fps.  

Personally I don’t have need for anything that fast. I am eying development in Z9 and derivatives mirrorless sphere by being camera junkie although Z7 with its originally maligned AF does not stop me taking well focused images in dynamic situations.

It seems all future cameras will be loaded with features whether we ask for them or not.  There are definitely modern features without which I would never buy a camera, IBIS spring to mind. 

[mmradman]

5 minutes ago, Steven said:

Isn't that what Focus peaking with IBIS on meant to be on the SL2? The peaking works extremely well. 

It does, but I don’t really have to pay premium for Leica EVF/SL type brick,.  Other brand EVF cameras are also good with M lenses not to mention excellent with native AF lenses all more affordable than Leica, did I mention brick.

As we discuss M lenses it is natural to consider native M camera. With current megapixel race which doesn’t seem to be slowing down future M camera is ripe for technological makeover. It’s up to Leica to pull few news trick from its sleeve.

[Charlie Q]

Dan, any update on Sony A1 and Summilux 28mm as we know you've already got your Sony A1s?