Panasonic L10 dSLR (new)

[mjh]

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It seems to me this is more of a consumer oriented model than a replacement for the L1.

Panasonic had revealed a couple of months ago that they were to introduce an entry-level FourThirds DSLR to complement the L1, and that’s what the L10 is. Upon closer inspection of the images, I believe that it is based on the E-410 rather than the E-510 – which makes sense, as the E-410 doesn’t have the in-camera image stabilizer that Panasonic neither needs nor wants. We will see – I expect the L10 to be introduced on 3 September or thereabouts.

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[spylaw4]

If it is really 4:3 camera it looks that:

1. Porro viewfinder in L1 and D3 was a mistake;

2. selling results of L1 and D3 are under expectations (see big Pana discounts for L1).

 

Irek

 

In relation to the price discounts - I see today that Jacobs (London UK) are now selling the L1 at £699 down from their previous £1099. A tempting price if you don't already have one!

 

We know that the L1 is not selling all that well, but IMO it could have been better advertised, certainly here in the UK.

 

If as mjh says the L10 is to complement the L1 rather than replace it then the L10 should sell for somewhat less than that. Is the L1 going to stay in production, at least for now until the mooted higher end dslr appears?

[mjh]

We know that the L1 is not selling all that well

Of course I may be mistaken, but I got the impression that Panasonic did not even expect the L1 to sell well – this was just to get their feet wet. And it was a prestige thing – to prove that when Sony can do DSLRs, they can do, too. Even when it was with quite a lot of help from their friends in both cases.

 

If as mjh says the L10 is to complement the L1 rather than replace it then the L10 should sell for somewhat less than that. Is the L1 going to stay in production, at least for now until the mooted higher end dslr appears?

Panasonic is following a fairly typical pattern here: first a mid-range model is introduced, to be followed by an entry-level product about one year later. Naturally, higher resolution sensors have become available by that time, and the new model will incorporate everything the vendor has learnt from their first model, so the entry-level model will be superior in some ways to the mid-range camera. It has happened before, say with the Olympus E-1 and E-300. Obviously, the original mid-range model needs to be replaced in due course, but that can take some time – there is still no successor to the E-1, and it took Nikon more than three years to replace the D100 by the D200. Let’s hope it won’t take that long with Panasonic (and Leica). But I won’t hold my breath for a high-end DSLR from Panasonic, and for Leica, high-end spells R10.

[imnotaniceboy]

The real seller l10 would be something with electronic viewfinder so it would be smaller, like digilux 2 but with better EV and primes similar to:

 

 

(35mm equiv.)

15 f4

21f 2.8

24 f2.8

28 f2

50 2.8 (very small in size)

 

 

Why bodering making more zoom lenses. is so difficult to compete agains this

and besides what the fourthirds needs is primes. Theres not fourthirds with electronic viewfinder either. that would be cool for me and for many others D2 users.

[Atlasman]

As an event photographer, I would jump at a 4/3rds with EVF. Small and Silent.

[imnotaniceboy]

how does not want a small, silent four thirds camera with the best evf you ever seen (Flash sync. at all speeds) and a good selection of normal/wide prime lenses?

 

I guess some of you dont. But it will be defenitly something nice for a lot of us and without any competition in the market.

 

PS (with shutter dial and aperture ring of course)

[marknorton]

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I hope it's cheap because it certainly looks cheap.

[karlitos]

Couldn't agree more:)

 

Karlitos

[andybarton]

Is it just me, or does anyone else get confused by all the various "names" that Panasonic have for their cameras?

[carstenw]

Names? The model names? Are you implying that other manufacturers' cameras are less confusingly named? I don't think so. Leicas are relatively easier, since there are so few, but even here there are problems, like D-Lux 3 and Digilux 3.

[andybarton]

I gave up trying to keep up with stuff's names ages ago. They have FZ50s and FZ60s, L-model this and L-model that. If you're in the market for a cheap camera, it must be very difficult to choose between them

 

K.I.S.S. has always been my motto.

[mjh]

Is it just me, or does anyone else get confused by all the various "names" that Panasonic have for their cameras?

Certainly not more confusing than other vendors’ names.

 

It always starts with “Lumix” and “DMC-”, then …

 

L for a DSLR

FZ for a superzoom model

TZ for a compact superzoom model (“travel zoom”)

LX for an ultra-compact with 16:9 sensor, 4x zoom, and manual modes

FX for any other ultra-compact

LZ for 6x zoom entry level models

LS for the other entry-level models

[andybarton]

So, an F model, might be a superzoom, or it might be a compact.

 

An L model might be an ultra-compact, or an entry level model (unless it's an LC5 like mine, which was neither ultra-compact, nor entry level...)

 

And despite the fact that the 16:9 model has a zoom, it doesn't have Z in its name.

 

In fact they ALL have zooms, except the L model... erm - which comes with a zoom.

 

No confusion there then!

 

[mjh]

So, an F model, might be a superzoom, or it might be a compact.

 

An L model might be an ultra-compact, or an entry level model (unless it's an LC5 like mine, which was neither ultra-compact, nor entry level...)

 

And despite the fact that the 16:9 model has a zoom, it doesn't have Z in its name.

 

In fact they ALL have zooms, except the L model... erm - which comes with a zoom.

“Z“ is for 6x zoom or more (LZ, TZ, FZ), “X” is for ultra-compact (FX, LX), “T” is for travel (TZ), “S” might be “simple” (LS). I have no idea what “L” is supposed to mean, as the LS, LX, and L models don’t have anything in common.

[andybarton]

Thanks Michael - as I said, I gave up with this ages ago

[ho_co]

Andy, didn't you get the 'Model Name Deciphering Matrix' with your camera? Panasonic occasionally has to add a row or column, and they still need asterisks and both green and red inks as well as black, but at least it's no more complicated than Nikon's 'Which Lenses Work with Which Features on this Camera?' charts.

 

--HC

[Riley]

rumour now has it, that there is to be a 4/3rds launch Sept 1

if its true (and when isnt it ) there are just 2 possibilities

the E3/E-P1, or the L10

Im betting its L10

[marknorton]

In relation to the price discounts - I see today that Jacobs (London UK) are now selling the L1 at £699 down from their previous £1099. A tempting price if you don't already have one!

 

IIRC, the original price of the Digilux 3 was £1799. Completely ludicrous and it is now being discounted as well. You have assume that neither it nor the L1 are selling well.

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[goodbokeh]

I have had my D3 on backorder for six weeks and it sounds like I will need to be patient for a couple more.

[Riley]

IIRC, the original price of the Digilux 3 was £1799. Completely ludicrous and it is now being discounted as well. You have assume that neither it nor the L1 are selling well.

 

at the same time, Olympus prices were significantly higher too, although not as high

something has occurred in pricing strategies perhaps associated with production capacities/volumes.

This chart ends a little earlier and doesnt describe the full story, but its clear that SONY and Pentax have gone down and Olympus back up to #3, and the trend continues upwards. Meanwhile C&N have exchanged position, and that trend appears widening.