Riley Posted August 23, 2007 Share #1  Posted August 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) from dp  10 Mp camera 11 AF points selectable in Live View. AF system with and without Live View articulated LCD display anti-dust system vibrating along the lens axis face detection  New reflex Pana: L10 [Page 1]: Panasonic Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/31721-panasonic-l10-dslr-new/?do=findComment&comment=335882'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted August 23, 2007 Posted August 23, 2007 Hi Riley, Take a look here Panasonic L10 dSLR (new). I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
martano Posted August 23, 2007 Share #2 Â Posted August 23, 2007 Just speaking about design: Horrible!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommycrown Posted August 23, 2007 Share #3 Â Posted August 23, 2007 What is wrong with this design? I always thought the side sling LCD screen on FZ50 was a good idea except it was only 2 inch screen pretty unworkable... but I guess this is something Leica would take in for future V-lux 2 maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
telyt Posted August 23, 2007 Share #4 Â Posted August 23, 2007 Is this a 4/3-system camera? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share #5 Â Posted August 23, 2007 Is this a 4/3-system camera? Â yes it is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_f Posted August 23, 2007 Share #6 Â Posted August 23, 2007 Hello Doug, Â According to the thread in dpreview, the lens is a 14-50mm f/3.8-5.6 zoom lens (with IS). I have to agree with Riley that it is a "4/3" camera. It looks like this new L10 camera is the long awaited Four Third D-SLR from Panasonic. More important to the Leica community, if I understood Steven K. Lee's interview published in LFI, the L10 might be used as the basis for Leica's first "4/3" D-SLR camera (not to be confused with the R10 D-SLR to be introduced at 'Kina 08). Â In any case, please remember that Leica is always very interested by all our comments (positive and negative) - and that they do read our posts ... In that spirit, what is your first impression of this L10 D-SLR? If Leica ever decides to introduce their own version of the L10, what would you change, what would you keep and/or take out? I realize we don't have much to go with at this stage, but do any of you care to make suggestions for a "Digilux" version of the L10 ? Â Regards, Â John F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imnotaniceboy Posted August 23, 2007 Share #7 Â Posted August 23, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) wheres the aperture ring and the shutter dial? Horrible. are they kidding? I was expecting something more like a digilux 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_f Posted August 23, 2007 Share #8 Â Posted August 23, 2007 I have to be honest. I can't see an aperture ring either (not sure about that shutter speed ring on the top right of the camera either). The LEICA D VARIO-ELMARIT 14-50mm F2.8-3.5 used on the Lumix L1 and Digilux 3 did have both aperture and focusing rings. Â In any case, keep in mind that this is the Panasonic version - not the Leica Digilux version. This would be the perfect time to tell Leica what we would like (and would NOT like) in a Digilux (4?) version of this "L10". Â John F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
imnotaniceboy Posted August 23, 2007 Share #9 Â Posted August 23, 2007 I would like to see picture number 1 and 2. Link anyone? Â Â I was expecting a compac camera with shutter dial and aperture ring. That will be diferent. Why they want to be like everybody else. ill rather buy the olympus 410 with smaller body in this situation. I would even buy a canon instead. Â I hope they sell it with the 25 1.4. and hope the aperture ring works with this l10 body at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted August 23, 2007 Share #10 Â Posted August 23, 2007 I cannot see the logic in the lens indicated. Why produce another 14-50 with smaller aperture, when there is the superb D Vario-elmarit 14-50 2.8-3.5 already? I wonder if the 14-50 is a typo and they really mean the upcoming 14-150 which is to be a 3.5-5.6? This would IMO make more sense. Shutter dial appears to be on top - lens aperture control maybe auto but manual control via firmware and on-camera wheel. But it does seem relatively huge (unless of course you are a DMR user)! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S. Wong Posted August 23, 2007 Share #11  Posted August 23, 2007 IF this is a DSLR and not an over glorified P&S (ie: LC1, FZ50)  This camera had better have a real pentaprism, because the porro-prism didn't work very well, esp. for me  also, they need to implement Live-view correctly, as a mirror lock-up function. The mirror should never have to swing down for any reason to take a picture.  I don't really like the grip, but could prob. grow used to it.  The main issue is the size... I'm not seeing the advantage in body size/weight corresponding to the tiny sensor dimensions.  Noise/grain/speed: Lower noise/better processing, larger RAW buffer for 3x fps  ASA/shutter/Kelvin wheels (that would be really different, 1/3, 1/2 stops, logarithmic scale degrees kelvin from 2500-8000), plus A on all wheels so the camera can set for itself/use pre-programmed preferences to set priorities  change the flash design so the bounce flash can be returned (D2, D3, LC1, L1)  -Steven (include 64-bit software for us XP x64 users too, but thats a real pipe dream) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riley Posted August 23, 2007 Author Share #12 Â Posted August 23, 2007 IF this is a DSLR and not an over glorified P&S (ie: LC1, FZ50) Â it is definately a dSLR point and shoots dont have liveview (as its understood) see the LiveView button on the rear both LC1 and the FZ's are EVF not OVF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 23, 2007 Share #13  Posted August 23, 2007 I cannot see the logic in the lens indicated. Why produce another 14-50 with smaller aperture, when there is the superb D Vario-elmarit 14-50 2.8-3.5 already? Because it will be cheaper. There’s no use in offering an affordable body if you have no affordable lenses as well. Panasonic wouldn’t want to refer potential buyers to Olympus or Sigma for lenses within a sensible price range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spylaw4 Posted August 23, 2007 Share #14  Posted August 23, 2007 Because it will be cheaper. There’s no use in offering an affordable body if you have no affordable lenses as well. Panasonic wouldn’t want to refer potential buyers to Olympus or Sigma for lenses within a sensible price range.  You could well be right. A second look at the first of the photos does seem to show 14-50 in orange on the lens. So it may well be the cheaper of the two new proposed Pana models (IIRC they are to do two new ones).  So what are we going to see on the 'better' one, assuming that they are sticking with 4/3? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlitos Posted August 23, 2007 Share #15  Posted August 23, 2007 Hello Doug, More important to the Leica community, if I understood Steven K. Lee's interview published in LFI, the L10 might be used as the basis for Leica's first "4/3" D-SLR camera (not to be confused with the R10 D-SLR to be introduced at 'Kina 08).   Regards,  John F.  Well, it wouldn't be their first 4/3 DSLR. We have the Digilux 3. But would they entertain the idea of putting out an entry level camera re-badged with a Leica dot. I suspect not.  Is that a shutter speed dial on top? Images are a bit fuzzy, could be a mode selector.  karlitos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjh Posted August 23, 2007 Share #16 Â Posted August 23, 2007 This camera had better have a real pentaprism, because the porro-prism didn't work very well, esp. for me From the look of it, it cannot be a Porro viewfinder; it is either a penta-prism or penta-mirror design, probably based on the Olympus E-510 (and in that case, it would be a penta-mirror). Â change the flash design so the bounce flash can be returned (D2, D3, LC1, L1) Apparently the bounce flash is history; the images clearly show a traditional flash design. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dot Posted August 23, 2007 Share #17 Â Posted August 23, 2007 It seems to me this is more of a consumer oriented model than a replacement for the L1. On the other hand people loved the LC1/Digilux 2 and simply wished for a cleaner sensor and faster RAW write times. We got this with the L1/Digilux 3 but in a totally different type of camera rather than a true replacement. History may be repeating itself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo_Lorentzen Posted August 23, 2007 Share #18  Posted August 23, 2007 Nah, its not a "totally different camera" it appears to be a 4:3 camera meaning it is a system camera, adding one more body to the line-up for Panasonic - Panasonic have already made several "leica" lenses, they are not switching standard now. they will bring out a new body for the lenses they just made and are making. and I can see how Leica may like the L10 base, it does not take very hard squinting of your eyes to see a older "R" style body on this box.  Lets see what happens next, I for one am convinced that Leica and Panasonic will contnue to support 3:4   Bo  My Leica scratch page - random thoughts , pictures and such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irek Posted August 24, 2007 Share #19 Â Posted August 24, 2007 If it is really 4:3 camera it looks that: 1. Porro viewfinder in L1 and D3 was a mistake; 2. selling results of L1 and D3 are under expectations (see big Pana discounts for L1). Â Irek Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlitos Posted August 24, 2007 Share #20  Posted August 24, 2007 1. Porro viewfinder in L1 and D3 was a mistake;   Irek  Not neccessarily, they could have changed the VF design to reduce manufacturing costs.  I personally like the porro finder, it suits my shooting style.  Karlitos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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