Einst_Stein Posted October 7, 2020 Share #1 Posted October 7, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) Zeiss ZX1 is finally on the horizon. All on-line camera reviewers are eagerly hoping to get a ZX1 sample for test. Sit back, relax! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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verwackelt Posted October 9, 2020 Share #2 Posted October 9, 2020 I think almost none of that reviewers would buy it for that asked price … 😉 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted October 9, 2020 Share #3 Posted October 9, 2020 Let us wait until the camera is really available, I still doubt it will come. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippy Posted October 9, 2020 Share #4 Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, AndreasG said: Let us wait until the camera is really available, I still doubt it will come. I had't even heard of the camera until now. I see it is available to order the thing from a few well-known dealerships (even B&H are saying 'New Item - Coming Soon' on their website) so it might, indeed, be about to be made available to the public but at $6,000(!) I, for one, will definitely let the opportunity pass me by... https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/uk/news/zeiss-zx1-is-it-coming-or-isnt-it Philip. Edited October 9, 2020 by pippy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramosa Posted October 9, 2020 Share #5 Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) $6,000! Wow, that makes my Leica Q-P seem like I got it for free ... (well almost). Seriously, I can’t imagine spending anything near that on the odd-looking Zeiss that will be two-plus years old already when it finally hits the market. Edited October 9, 2020 by ramosa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nico4444 Posted October 9, 2020 Share #6 Posted October 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, ramosa said: $6,000! Wow, that makes my Leica Q-P seem like I got it for free ... (well almost). Just because you got your Q-P for a relatively good deal, it doesn’t mean you didn’t spend a significant amount of money on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einst_Stein Posted October 9, 2020 Author Share #7 Posted October 9, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) I think the judge on the price is too early, though I have a strong resistance on the Android camera. It is really up to its quality and capability, which we are yet to see in person. On the other hand, be careful when reading those online reviews yet to come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verwackelt Posted October 10, 2020 Share #8 Posted October 10, 2020 I assume its image quality is top notch, but even then i find 6000 for a fixed lens camera is way too much. You can´t even change battery if you are on the road and run out of power. Btw I find the Qs too pricey either. But may be there are some people that have so much saved, even in corona times, to spend it for a second or third camera. Future will show if there will be a ZX2 in some years… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdmesa Posted October 10, 2020 Share #9 Posted October 10, 2020 If they build the camera and lens to Otus, CP.3, or Super Speed tolerances/spec/consistency, then this might be worth it for some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedivv Posted October 11, 2020 Share #10 Posted October 11, 2020 Engineers think about trade offs all the time. Here, portability, price, and weight are all sacrificed for integration. Seems a bad idea integrating a smartphone and an expensive camera body, unless it is modular and upgradable. Smartphones are generally outdated in a couple of years, while camera and lens are supposed to last much longer (at least 5 years?). For a $6000 camera, you would hope that they put in at least 2TB storage (or least make it upgradeable), since there is no card slot. Wireless, both wifi and bluetooth, should be upgradeable too. The Lightroom integration will be interesting to see. Processing 40MP RAW takes a good amount of processing power. It would nice to get the raw edited in camera and only the process JPGs get wirelessly transferred. An even more helpful thing would be applying lightroom presets in somewhen to raw photos when recording JPGs. One thing I hated about Q2 monochrome JPG has been the lack of color filtering, as many other camera manufacturers had it for years. No lightroom present, but at least some way to customizer JPG output of Q2 would be really nice. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicci78 Posted October 11, 2020 Share #11 Posted October 11, 2020 Is there really a fight ? Q2 offers 28mm with 47MP. ZX1 can’t The real question is : can Zeiss ZX1 with its 35mm f/2 with 37MP can beat Q2 35mm crop mode. Which is equivalent to 35mm f/2 with 30MP. ZX1 will use an even rarer flash mount : the Sigma SA one ! Like Sigma fp. 512GB internal is quite small by todays standard. When you can buy a quite fast SD card of 512GB at 170€ or less Who needs Lightroom ? If you do not have any app support for direct upload? It is just a typical camera workflow. With wireless transfert for automatic backup to NAS or cloud. Except that you are doing edits in camera instead of in computer. ZX1 is missing the point. It should have cellular connectivity and app support to be relevant. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vedivv Posted October 11, 2020 Share #12 Posted October 11, 2020 2 hours ago, nicci78 said: Is there really a fight ? Q2 offers 28mm with 47MP. ZX1 can’t The real question is : can Zeiss ZX1 with its 35mm f/2 with 37MP can beat Q2 35mm crop mode. Which is equivalent to 35mm f/2 with 30MP. ZX1 will use an even rarer flash mount : the Sigma SA one ! Like Sigma fp. 512GB internal is quite small by todays standard. When you can buy a quite fast SD card of 512GB at 170€ or less Who needs Lightroom ? If you do not have any app support for direct upload? It is just a typical camera workflow. With wireless transfert for automatic backup to NAS or cloud. Except that you are doing edits in camera instead of in computer. ZX1 is missing the point. It should have cellular connectivity and app support to be relevant. MB war? I guess I thought the same thing when I bought RX1M2 years ago over Q. The difference between ZX1 and Q2 is not as significant. SSD is much faster than SD (and should be cheaper). But the "huge 512GB" in the press release is lame. It was huge 2 years ago when ZX1 was first announce. But SSD price as come down a lot, and they are both faster and cheaper than fast SD cards. I paid $200 for the 128GB SD card in my Q2, whereas you can get 2TB faster SSD for about the same price. If Q2 file size is a reference point, 512GB is not much, even without video. But let us wait for the real reviews. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cboy Posted October 11, 2020 Share #13 Posted October 11, 2020 Seems lightroom is a joke to me or it has to have flawless workflow for it to be used effectively. The reviewers will determine whether Zeiss choose right in intergrating lightroom. Pixii has the right intergration workflow imho as it assumes every user has a phone, and its best to leave the apps to the phone since the platform is reliably supported and updated....Well see if Zeiss spent the delay in working out the kinks in the system. It better be if they expect usera will fork out 6k over a Leica Q. In any case its good competition for Leica Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted October 29, 2020 Share #14 Posted October 29, 2020 Here we go: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1436638-REG/zeiss_zx1_digital_camera.html $6,000 😱 And a very interesting/weird concept 🤔 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archiver Posted October 30, 2020 Share #15 Posted October 30, 2020 On 10/10/2020 at 7:36 PM, verwackelt said: I assume its image quality is top notch, but even then i find 6000 for a fixed lens camera is way too much. You can´t even change battery if you are on the road and run out of power. Wait, you can't change the battery? That's no good. Even with a power bank, you don't want to run out of juice in the field / on a job and have to put the camera away while it charges. Still, it's a very intriguing camera and I'm very interested in its output and handling. I just hope that the inbuilt Lightroom doesn't need a subscription! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameBrandon Posted October 30, 2020 Share #16 Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) I'm sure it's a very nice screen, but I can barely stand to edit images on my 12" MacBook I use for traveling. Can you imaging sorting through a shoot of 400-500 images, culling and rating, and editing on your camera? There is probably a very small niche of people with a workflow that would make sense with the ZX1, and an even smaller subset of that niche willing to spend $6,000 on this camera. When you look at the other fixed lens options, especially the Q2, the ZX1 just doesn't stack up. I thought the Hasselblad Luna was the low-point for high-end camera companies.. this might be a new low. My guess is that they sell less than 1,000 of these world-wide.. and I think even that is optimistic. This is a shame, I was so excited for this camera, I've had email alerts setup for years for this. My only hope is they take all of these lessons learned and build a decent ZX2, and that they then price it with some common sense. Edited October 30, 2020 by nameBrandon 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted October 30, 2020 Share #17 Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, nameBrandon said: ...My guess is that they sell less than 1,000 of these world-wide.. and I think even that is optimistic... Why would anyone pay $6000 USD for a ZX1 when you can get the smaller, lighter weight (compare the specs) Q2 with the 28 mm f/1.7 Summilux for $1000 less? Edited October 30, 2020 by Herr Barnack 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Posted October 30, 2020 Share #18 Posted October 30, 2020 55 minutes ago, Herr Barnack said: Why would anyone pay $6000 USD for a ZX1 when you can get the smaller, lighter weight (compare the specs) Q2 with the 28 mm f/1.7 Summilux for $1000 less? With $6k to spend, I would rather prefer an SL2 😬 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhotoCruiser Posted October 30, 2020 Share #19 Posted October 30, 2020 vor 4 Stunden schrieb Dennis: With $6k to spend, I would rather prefer an SL2 😬 but without any lens.... The "bargain" of the Q2 and the zeiss is that you get a excellent camera for a "reduced price" 10'800$ SL2 + Summilux 50 13'200$ SL2 + Summilux 28mm 1.4 Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted October 30, 2020 Share #20 Posted October 30, 2020 vor 8 Stunden schrieb Archiver: I just hope that the inbuilt Lightroom doesn't need a subscription! It needs, only the first year is free. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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