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[Guest guy_mancuso]

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The Noctilux has a element that the price went up very high on making that special element so it never was discontinued but most likely ran out of stock on existing ones. It still is made in canada and i think the only leica lens made outside of Solms

 

The MATE has a element that they simply cannot get the glass for anymore and also was a bear to make mechnically.

 

The 75 lux was time to move on and old formula that Leica decided to discontinue and not make anymore and they have a new 75mm F2 cron which is very popular and sales on the 75 lux were very slow. Also a new 75mm Summarit is hitting the streets in November. Big question is there a new 75mm 1.2 ASPH coming, only Leica can tell us that. I'm hoping there is

 

 

So out of the 3 the Nocti is still being made but again the cooling of the glass takes a long time but is still being made.

 

This is what i pretty much what I got out of leica

[marknorton]

Guy, a 75mm 1.2 would be some lens, I assume you mean 1.4! Last time I looked, the 75/1.4 was still on the web-site but the MATE had gone.

 

With the Summarits arriving, there would then be 4 90s, 2 75s, 4 50s, 3 35s, 2 28s, 1 24, 1 21 and the WATE. It's the wide-end they should be looking at, IMHO, not another 75.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Actually I'm hoping for a 1.2 but not sure where leica is going with the fast stuff. We need a 24mm F2 and 21mm f2 first. And my favorite request a cheap 15mm F4. With the new Summarits which i think a great idea for some budget lenses , i can only hope they don't forget us speed freaks. Now a 75 1.2 , f2 and 2.5 would be a nice spread of 75mm. We will just have to see what is up there sleeve going forward.

[rosuna]

I doubt any 75mm f/1.2 ASPH is on track at this moment. Maybe it is possible to make an smaller, lighter and slighly better performer new Summilux 75mm, but I doubt the price would be much lower than the last price of the old Summilux 75mm. In any case, you would have 3 different 75mm lenses (Summarit, Summicron and Summilux), and it isn't a popular focal. 3 different types is too much for a 35mm or 50mm focal, but is economically irrational for the 75mm focal length.

 

I would like to see a new Noctilux 50mm f/1.0 ASPH instead.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Yes (3) 75mm lenses does seem unlikely . A new Nocti would be nice but hate to see my bank account after making that purchase , that one is gotta hurt.

 

Damn a fly just took a swim in a fresh espresso.

[Shootist]

Now a 75 1.2 , f2 and 2.5 would be a nice spread of 75mm. We will just have to see what is up there sleeve going forward.

 

There in lies the problem. Just how many people would buy all three version of a 75mm lens? Not many IMHO. I think that is the greatest reason the 75/1.4 got cancelled, not enough people bought it to justify the expense of making it.

 

I do agree Leica should be looking at the wide end. Not so much as a 24/2 or 21/2 but something like a 16 or 18 f/3?/4.

With the price increase of the WATE that lens is now off my "Maybe when I get more money" list.

Although I am very happy with my VC 21 Skopar f/4 I'm not going to buy the 15 VC. I'd rather have a Leica lens, coded by Leica, and rangefinder coupled.

[Guest guy_mancuso]

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Well I have been begging for the 15mm F4 at a cost of around 1600 dollars, leica made , leica coded and coupled. I can only hope they took my advice here.

[rosuna]

There is another problem with superfast normal-tele lenses and the M8. The problem is this: 1) most M lenses are actually sold for use on the M8 camera; 2) the M8 camera has a viewfinder magnification of 0.68.

 

I can focus the Summilux 75mm on the M8, and even the APO-Summicron 90mm can be focused, but it isn't easy. Normal-tele lenses were easy to use on the original M3 camera, with a big magnification viewfinder. Later, the magnification was reduced for including the wideangles framelines (35mm, 28mm).

 

Rangefinders cannot compete actually against autofocus reflex cameras with normal-tele lenses due to slow and unprecise focus (when fast operation is needed), but they held up quite well using wide angle lenses (fast and accurate-enough focus is much easier using 35mm, 28mm, 24mm, 21mm, etc. lenses). The Summilux 75mm was developed in order to complete the M system with one of the most demanded type of lenses of that time (the 70s): a supefast short-tele objective. All reflex systems had one. The actual market is very, very different. Now zooms seem to be the most demanded lenses, and superfast primes for portraits aren't a necessary condition for any system (see Olympus, for instance), and even less for a rangefinder system. It is far more important to replace the Tri-Elmar 28-35-50. The Noctilux is a simple "prestige" problem.

 

In addition, the crop factor of the M8 camera transforms the Summilux 50mm in a fantastic and small Summilux 70mm (FoV) lens, taking the place of the old Summilux 75mm on 35mm format. Maybe a future M9 with 24x36 sensor will ask for a new Summilux 75mm, but the M8 don't. You also have the APO-Summicron 75mm for 100mm (FoV) f/2 and the APO-Summicrom 90mm for a wonderful 120mm (FoV) f/2 lens on the M8!

[wparsonsgisnet]

.... It's the wide-end they should be looking at....

 

IF they're listening to me (do you suppose this can be true?), it'll be a Fast, Wide, Prime. [do you hear the echo?]

 

15mm f2.8 -- got my wallet right here!

[Guest guy_mancuso]

There is another problem with superfast normal-tele lenses and the M8. The problem is this: 1) most M lenses are actually sold for use on the M8 camera; 2) the M8 camera has a viewfinder magnification of 0.68.

 

I can focus the Summilux 75mm on the M8, and even the APO-Summicron 90mm can be focused, but it isn't easy. Normal-tele lenses were easy to use on the original M3 camera, with a big magnification viewfinder. Later, the magnification was reduced for including the wideangles framelines (35mm, 28mm).

 

Rangefinders cannot compete actually against autofocus reflex cameras with normal-tele lenses due to slow and unprecise focus (when fast operation is needed), but they held up quite well using wide angle lenses (fast and accurate-enough focus is much easier using 35mm, 28mm, 24mm, 21mm, etc. lenses). The Summilux 75mm was developed in order to complete the M system with one of the most demanded type of lenses of that time (the 70s): a supefast short-tele objective. All reflex systems had one. The actual market is very, very different. Now zooms seem to be the most demanded lenses, and superfast primes for portraits aren't a necessary condition for any system (see Olympus, for instance), and even less for a rangefinder system. It is far more important to replace the Tri-Elmar 28-35-50. The Noctilux is a simple "prestige" problem.

 

In addition, the crop factor of the M8 camera transforms the Summilux 50mm in a fantastic and small Summilux 70mm (FoV) lens, taking the place of the old Summilux 75mm on 35mm format. Maybe a future M9 with 24x36 sensor will ask for a new Summilux 75mm, but the M8 don't. You also have the APO-Summicron 75mm for 100mm (FoV) f/2 and the APO-Summicrom 90mm for a wonderful 120mm (FoV) f/2 lens on the M8!

 

I don't know Reuben i love the 75 and 90 on the M8 but point well taken but let's not forget what's next down the line too. leica is NOT sitting on there thumbs, trust me on this one.

[wparsonsgisnet]

... leica is NOT sitting on there thumbs, trust me on this one.

 

thumbs up for a fast, wide, ........