AlanG Posted August 28, 2007 Share #201 Posted August 28, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) There was, if you recall, similar, but much more fevered speculation about the M8 (or was it going to be the MD, or the M7D... ? ) before that was announced last year. But, there were no real leaks a long time prior to Photokina, which is credit to those beta testers with cast iron NDAs round their necks - or worse. The only reason I questioned why Leica hasn't announced anything is that their past history shows a pattern of pre-announcements. I think in this case, if the camera is being planned, any word can only help Leica. I could be wrong but I think the only way something like this "can bite them in the bum" is if they later decide to drop it, or if they somehow are incorporating unique features that they want to keep secret from the competition. They could leave out the secrets from any announcement. I pretty much remember an official announcement by Leica way before the release of the M8. Specifically that they had worked with Kodak and solved the vignetting problem of using M wide lenses with a sensor. And there was this about 9 months in advance: Leica Digital M | Digital Camera Review And they announced the DMR two years before release. Leica FAQ - Digital Module R On the other side, I just can't see why Nikon didn't announce that they were working on a full frame high speed camera some time in advance. Yes they would have lost some sales of DX lenses, and maybe gained sales of other lenses. But they might have kept a number of people from jumping ship to Canon. Maybe Nikon and Leica have their reasons... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rsolomon Posted August 28, 2007 Share #202 Posted August 28, 2007 I agree with andy that leica is not looking side to side and behind them at what the other makers are doing.....they are looking forward to produce what they can produce without the limitations of whats been done. If it's one thing leica has going for them it's smart and innovative people. Per a conversation with the senior marketing man while visiting leica NJ i beleive they are working on an R10 --- other then that no details -- whether they are in design protype mode - i could not say. Perhaps an R10 will offer speed: like 10 fps and some new fast AF lens's. Speaking for myself a DMR II on an R9 with some AF lens'es in the offering would be their best move. especially if they could bring the size of the DMR from the motor drive to the motor winder ... what does FF really bring that the 15mm or a new wide angle lens doesn't ? The option of DMR or film with R9 remains a cool, interesting, useful, flexible, easy, fun, high quality function im not sure i want to pass up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 28, 2007 Share #203 Posted August 28, 2007 Spotting scopes are in the dark ages, technology-wise, though, Mark. Therefore pre-announcing a new model isn't going to bite Leica in the bum, as it might do with something as sophisticated as the R10 will have to be. There was, if you recall, similar, but much more fevered speculation about the M8 (or was it going to be the MD, or the M7D... ? ) before that was announced last year. But, there were no real leaks a long time prior to Photokina, which is credit to those beta testers with cast iron NDAs round their necks - or worse. I don't think that Leica are bothered what the Japanese are doing. If they are working on an R10, they will be doing it their way. Your not going to hear anything until release , that is Leica's way and actually Nikon and Canon do it also. Announce and release 1 month later or 2 . Honestly why show your hand to the competition. Getting info is like squeezing blood from a rock, trust me on this. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted August 28, 2007 Share #204 Posted August 28, 2007 We know the R9 is dead because it doesn't comply with the RoHS regulations; interestingly, they must have re-engineered the M7 and MP to make them comply though the amount of electronics is a bit less, I would guess. Given that, and assuming an R10 as a digital only body, does that leave Leica forever without a film SLR? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulmoore Posted August 28, 2007 Share #205 Posted August 28, 2007 I was in germany a couple of weeks ago and took a 30 minute detour to check out solms, had no address with me but found it easy enough, while talking with an employee, I mentioned my interest in the next digital r .. he said "next year".. so while this is not news to anyone, it was good to hear confirmation of timing. I believe that it will be an all digital af platform..mr. lee seems to have the company on a future oriented track, film and manual focus are part of the r9, not the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 28, 2007 Share #206 Posted August 28, 2007 I'm going to check it out myself at the next Kina ... I think Guy will be there too. Who else? LOL The 5D upgrade should be at the PMA 08 in Feb, that's leaves the rumored low budget FF at the Kina for Canon and/or the 400D upgrade ... Nikon must be working on upgrades of their budget models to 12.5MP then. Nothing is going to prevent the R10 (perhaps with the M9) from taking the center stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted August 28, 2007 Share #207 Posted August 28, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm going to check it out myself at the next Kina ... I think Guy will be there too. Who else? LOL The 5D upgrade should be at the PMA 08 in Feb, that's leaves the rumored low budget FF at the Kina for Canon and/or the 400D upgrade ... Nikon must be working on upgrades of their budget models to 12.5MP then. Nothing is going to prevent the R10 (perhaps with the M9) from taking the center stage. When will you actually stop DREAMING ???? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted August 28, 2007 Share #208 Posted August 28, 2007 It's interesting that Leica have announced a new range of spotting scopes nearly a full year before they will be available. Not so with the R10 and I'm slightly depressed that all this speculation about it may continue for at least another year before there's any hint of an announcement, by which time Canon and Nikon will have gained further ground, the R series of lenses will be another year older and without enhancement and innovation. R has already lost all ground in modern digital photography. So if they bring anything above DMR it can only be a progress and maybe convince some users back to Leica. I am not sure if I would like to follow that further - given the new D3 and the result I have seen so far taken with top Nikkor lenses - I would not bet that Leica can do this better - even if talking about pure picture quality alone and leaving AV and IS and IR etc. out of the comparison game. But looking into at the complete picture of a modern DSLR - either Nikon or Canon - Leica can only be on the looser side :-(( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted August 28, 2007 Share #209 Posted August 28, 2007 When will you stop bothering me, doctor? PLEASE. If you publish this kind of B...S... then you cannot expect something else :-(( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted August 28, 2007 Share #210 Posted August 28, 2007 You must understand B ..S very well ... otherwise, how can you tell? I understand Bright and Shining very well, not the other end that you obviously refer to? The human is always as bad as he thinks - not very new but still very applicable to you ;-)) Why do we always get these type of self-portrayal individuals here? Could you not just try to bore some other forums ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptomsu Posted August 28, 2007 Share #211 Posted August 28, 2007 I'm going to give up, doctor ... so this thread won't be locked up. By the way, I've added you into my ignore list, I hope you do likewise. No I will not because I look forward to your future B.. S... coming for sure :-))) Never give up on s.... individuals .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 28, 2007 Share #212 Posted August 28, 2007 Any chance you two can take your squabble somewhere else, please? Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 28, 2007 Share #213 Posted August 28, 2007 I agree with andy that leica is not looking side to side and behind them at what the other makers are doing.....they are looking forward to produce what they can produce without the limitations of whats been done. If it's one thing leica has going for them it's smart and innovative people. Per a conversation with the senior marketing man while visiting leica NJ i beleive they are working on an R10 --- other then that no details -- whether they are in design protype mode - i could not say. Perhaps an R10 will offer speed: like 10 fps and some new fast AF lens's. Speaking for myself a DMR II on an R9 with some AF lens'es in the offering would be their best move. especially if they could bring the size of the DMR from the motor drive to the motor winder ... what does FF really bring that the 15mm or a new wide angle lens doesn't ? The option of DMR or film with R9 remains a cool, interesting, useful, flexible, easy, fun, high quality function im not sure i want to pass up I think it is past the pen and napkin drawing. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 28, 2007 Share #214 Posted August 28, 2007 Any chance you two can take your squabble somewhere else, please?. I've deleted two of my posts in question, Andy. Please delete post #208 and #211 on my behalf. Sorry about this distraction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 28, 2007 Share #215 Posted August 28, 2007 I just never found a reason to shoot a roll of film through my DMR system, so i just don't think it is even worth it to bother for them to make a DMR II just keep the R9 in production when you need film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 28, 2007 Share #216 Posted August 28, 2007 Guy Production of the R9 has already stopped, according to other threads here. Leica are now out of the SLR market altogether. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 28, 2007 Share #217 Posted August 28, 2007 I've deleted two of my posts in question, Andy. Please delete post #208 and #211 on my behalf. Sorry about this distraction. I shouldn't have to... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdai Posted August 28, 2007 Share #218 Posted August 28, 2007 Production of the R9 has already stopped, according to other threads here. Leica are now out of the SLR market altogether. So, if the R9 is dropped due to noncompliance with RoHS directives, then the M7/MP may be dropped as well ... and Leica is out the camera business altogether. LOL Thanks a lot for the help by the way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybarton Posted August 28, 2007 Share #219 Posted August 28, 2007 I read somewhere today that the M7 and MP have had their guts changed to avoid these solder issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Likaleica Posted August 28, 2007 Share #220 Posted August 28, 2007 For what it is worth, the Tamarkin website makes the following statement: We know that Leica is developing an all-digital Leica R and we believe they may have it completed in time for Photokina in September 2008. Maybe that's just their opinion, or hope, but here is the full link: http://www.tamarkin.com/catalog/products/leica/leicaslrusedlens.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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