Guest Posted April 25, 2020 Share #1 Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) On importing some files today I noticed that the file's dates were all set to May 1st 2016, which was odd enough. So I re-set the time / date on the camera using the manual method with the Function button and the Thumbwheel as per the M10-D manual. Took some test images, imported them to the Mac and found this oddity out.............If the camera was turned off at any time and then turned back on to use the camera the set current time/date setting disappears and reverts back to May 1st 2016, the manually set "correct date and time evaporates. Is this normal or maybe there's something amiss with my D? I did the same time / date setting with the Fotos App and the same thing occurred. I have to confess I've never noticed this before, so is this "normal" with the camera's time/date setting, do they reset to a base configuration every time the camera's turned off? I hope not. Maybe I'm doing something wrong in making these settings, but I don't think so. Added Note: I have also checked this problem with the settings on my M10P and my M10M, both those cameras retain the set time even when turned off or without a battery installed for a period of time. So again is this unique to the M10-D or is my M10-D faulty? Edited April 25, 2020 by petermullett Added note Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Good To Be Retired Posted April 25, 2020 Share #2 Posted April 25, 2020 (edited) With no camera in hand to examine, my best WAG is that the camera is failing to charge the internal battery used to maintain the date/time info when changing the main batteries. That would seem to indicate a bad internal battery, which is a service center issue. I suppose it's remotely possible you could also cause such an issue with a bad/minimally charged main battery or dirty battery contacts, but that strikes me as a long shot. With my Nikon's it possible to exit the time/date set menu incorrectly and the date/time entered is not being saved in the first place. Never checked if you can do that on my Leica though. Edited April 25, 2020 by Good To Be Retired Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 25, 2020 Share #3 Posted April 25, 2020 Yes, thanks........that's my thought too, an internal battery/capacitor failure....assuming there is one in there. If I change the date/time settings then take some shots without turning the camera off the date/time is recorded correctly on the metadata, but if I turn the camera off, then on again the subsequent images have lost the new settings. The M10-P and the M10-M don't have this problem so yes as they are basically the same internally I'd assume that it's an internal data storage fault unless other owners confirm that their M10-D's behave the same way, but I doubt if that's the case........So off it will go to the Mother Ship when Wetzlar comes back on line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted April 25, 2020 Share #4 Posted April 25, 2020 I tried to reproduce this odd behavior with my M10-D (bought in Feb 2019), but the time/date setting remains stable. I also removed the battery for approx. 5h, the internal settings remain unchanged, not going back to 2016. Seems, with your camera something is wrong, probably you better ask the Leica service in Wetzlar. For my understanding, how is this date/time information stored, is there something like a tiny battery or capacitor on the PCB, similar to a BIOS battery in a PC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 25, 2020 Share #5 Posted April 25, 2020 Thanks for testing your camera and reporting back I appreciate that, but yes Andreas it looks like it's an internal battery or capacitor that's died in my M10-D and it will have to wait for Leica to open up again in Wetzlar so I can send it in for service once again. Frustratingly this is the latest in my line of digital Leica M's that have had to go back for repair......MM9 - four visits "home" for three sensor replacements and a sticky shutter, M9 - replacement sensor, M240- for viewfinder problems, M10 - for shutter release problems then back again this year when I decided to have the full M10-M10P upgrade on it, ( ok, technically not a repair ), thankfully so far the new M10M is fine. All repairs were taken care of efficiently by Leica at Wetzlar I have to say, but it's a PITA none the less.........I'm totally wedded to the Leica M system but I feel that there's not the reliability there with the digital M's that I've had with their film M's through past decades of use or other camera systems I have been invested in professionally, which is a shame as they are just wonderful to use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenykepesz Posted April 26, 2020 Share #6 Posted April 26, 2020 i agree, this sounds like the dead CMOS BIOS battery problem on computer motherboards - though the date is peculiar, why May 1st 2016 ? was that the beginning of the days for the new M10s ? but, who works on May 1st in Germany ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekindangen Posted April 7, 2021 Share #7 Posted April 7, 2021 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi, any update on this date/time/setting not retained issue? My M10-D is having the same issue, but only when main battery is removed. Turning off the camera doesn't reset the date/time. Was thinking to send the body to Wetzlar but would like to hear the udpate from @petermullett. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 7, 2021 Share #8 Posted April 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, ekindangen said: Hi, any update on this date/time/setting not retained issue? My M10-D is having the same issue, but only when main battery is removed. Turning off the camera doesn't reset the date/time. Was thinking to send the body to Wetzlar but would like to hear the udpate from @petermullett. Thank you. Hello ekindangen, sorry to hear that your camera is behaving like mine did last year............I had to send it back to Wetzlar for repair, something to do with a fault on the motherboard was the problem and after they replaced that it worked as it should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekindangen Posted April 7, 2021 Share #9 Posted April 7, 2021 Hi @petermullett. Noted n thanks for the info. I guess I'd have to send it back to mothership 😞 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 7, 2021 Share #10 Posted April 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, ekindangen said: Hi @petermullett. Noted n thanks for the info. I guess I'd have to send it back to mothership 😞 Yes I'm afraid so..........The strange thing is that I haven't read of this happening to the "regular" M10's, seems to be unique to the D for some reason........Good luck with it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekindangen Posted July 1, 2021 Share #11 Posted July 1, 2021 Just an update to my M10-D. It was sent to Leica per @petermullett suggestion. Received it back today with the problem solved. Apparently they replaced the main board. Happy shooting! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontick Posted July 1, 2021 Share #12 Posted July 1, 2021 Ensure the latest M10-D firmware is installed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2021 Share #13 Posted July 2, 2021 21 hours ago, ekindangen said: Just an update to my M10-D. It was sent to Leica per @petermullett suggestion. Received it back today with the problem solved. Apparently they replaced the main board. Happy shooting! Good to hear! Sadly my M10-D is presently back in Wetzlar once again because it refuses to format the SD card in-camera. This is it's third or fourth trip back to the "mothership" since I bought it, very frustrating for a camera that is perhaps my favourite digital M, with the M10-M a close runner up. The electronics Leica added to the M10-D as compared to the earlier less featured MD type 262, ( WiFi, Fotos setting App, GPS etc ), have in my opinion hobbled a great camera more than enhanced it. A pity but I'll hang onto it none the less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekindangen Posted July 2, 2021 Share #14 Posted July 2, 2021 Ouchh that's not good. Why has it gone back so many times? One is the date/time issue and another is the formatting issue. What were the other two problems? I also enjoy using this more vs the other M10 variants because of the ergonomics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekindangen Posted July 2, 2021 Share #15 Posted July 2, 2021 19 hours ago, ontick said: Ensure the latest M10-D firmware is installed. Installed 2.20.48.40. Latest I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 2, 2021 Share #16 Posted July 2, 2021 2 hours ago, ekindangen said: Ouchh that's not good. Why has it gone back so many times? One is the date/time issue and another is the formatting issue. What were the other two problems? I also enjoy using this more vs the other M10 variants because of the ergonomics. Rangefinder went out of adjustment, a piece came free inside I think, and the other time was weird........I was having problems with the focus a month or two after the rangefinder was repaired, checked that with various lenses with the M10-D on a tripod and checked the distances with a tape measure and even compared results with the other M10's with the same lenses, but no it was out. I thought it was the rangefinder again but after Wetzlar examined it it was found that the sensor had slipped out of alignment!......Never heard of that before, but that was fixed until this next time with the formatting issue, Leica Service at Wetzlar, ( who are really good to deal with by the way, no complaints regarding them at all ), report that they know what the problem is but are waiting for parts to complete the repairs.............And no, I am not brutal with my Leica gear, the M10-D looks new, it should do it's spent nearly half it's life I guess back "home"! On another note I received this week a brand new Leica MP, ( film ), camera, bought because for personal work I intend to return more to using film now and try to quit the digital merry-go-round with new camera variations coming up every year or so..........The MP is going back as I write this, the ASA dial on the back of the camera is locked solid, couldn't move it at all. Leica France is sending a new one to me next week.............and so it goes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreasG Posted July 2, 2021 Share #17 Posted July 2, 2021 Seems I am a lucky guy because my M10-D has not shown any defect or malfunction (except the missing GPS functionality with the Visoflex) since I got the camera in Feb. 2019. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekindangen Posted July 2, 2021 Share #18 Posted July 2, 2021 1 hour ago, petermullett said: Rangefinder went out of adjustment, a piece came free inside I think, and the other time was weird........I was having problems with the focus a month or two after the rangefinder was repaired, checked that with various lenses with the M10-D on a tripod and checked the distances with a tape measure and even compared results with the other M10's with the same lenses, but no it was out. I thought it was the rangefinder again but after Wetzlar examined it it was found that the sensor had slipped out of alignment!......Never heard of that before, but that was fixed until this next time with the formatting issue, Leica Service at Wetzlar, ( who are really good to deal with by the way, no complaints regarding them at all ), report that they know what the problem is but are waiting for parts to complete the repairs.............And no, I am not brutal with my Leica gear, the M10-D looks new, it should do it's spent nearly half it's life I guess back "home"! On another note I received this week a brand new Leica MP, ( film ), camera, bought because for personal work I intend to return more to using film now and try to quit the digital merry-go-round with new camera variations coming up every year or so..........The MP is going back as I write this, the ASA dial on the back of the camera is locked solid, couldn't move it at all. Leica France is sending a new one to me next week.............and so it goes Wow so much hassles with one camera. I hope this time they fix it for good or you're entitled to a brand new unit. Sorry to hear about your MP. We can discuss that in the analog forum 🙂. Luckily I've only had two or three issues with my camera bodies and lenses over the years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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