marknorton Posted August 12, 2006 Share #21 Posted August 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) I'm sure there are a lot of people who are saying and thinking the same thing - that there's no case to go for Leica digital - but I expect that once the M8 is out, once the comparative reviews of assignments done on film and digital are out, existing fie-hard film users will suddenly remember the money stashed under the bed or in the tea-pot and want one. It'll be a repeat of the DMR users who rarely revert to film. Once you have an M8, your film cameras will fall into dis-use. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jrc Posted August 12, 2006 Share #22 Posted August 12, 2006 It'll be a repeat of the DMR users who rarely revert to film. Once you have an M8, your film cameras will fall into dis-use. I'll agree that this is true for most people. But digital photography has been obsessed with qualities like sharpness and resolution, and there are cases where sharpness and resolution are not particularly (or always) desirable -- wedding photography often being the case. Nothing like seeing a nice sharp hair poking out of a mole on the bride's face...Even film was considered too sharp for some of these subjects, leading to soft-focus lenses. I'm not sure that digital can exactly replicate the creaminess of film in some of these cases; it's almost an impressionist effect. With wedding photos, I think (I don't know, I've never taken one, although I've been in some) charm would be as important as documentation. JC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_reid Posted August 12, 2006 Share #23 Posted August 12, 2006 Interesting stuff. Thanks for the input. Must admit that I was hoping that the opinion of this group was that Leica M couldn't be matched by 10 mpix digital... Did the RD-1 provide an indication of what can be achieved ? Yes, the R-D1 has indeed shown one level of what can be achieved with good RF lenses and digital capture. If it's of interest, many of the wedding pictures on my site were made with R-D1 bodies. http://www.still-photo.net Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted August 12, 2006 Share #24 Posted August 12, 2006 Also, have a look here: Chicago Award-Winning Wedding Photographer, JR Geoffrion, serves the major cities of Chicago, Milwaukee, Columbus, Cleveland, and Toronto as well as all of Wisconsin, Iowa, Indianapolis, and Ohio and is available internationally The guy is using digital for years and now a DMR (or two) I do agree that people are obsessed by resolution and so but this was also the case with film. However, I now prefer the DMR to film not because of resolution or lack of grain (in fact, I love the Provia 400F grain) but for better colors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adan Posted August 12, 2006 Share #25 Posted August 12, 2006 Here is one example of what 10Mpixel digital can do: Leica DMR, ISO 800, "B&W" jpeg, 40-year-old 50 Summicron-R. 100% crop on left, full frame on right. I'll let others make their own judgement as to 'creaminess' and such. Certainly I've never gotten an image this 'clean' from ISO 400 film pushed a stop - via scans OR silver prints. For the past 12 years - since I moved from a wet darkroom to the computer/scanner - I've more or less given up any film above ISO 100. If the M8 matches the DMR, it's gonna reopen a whole nightime available light world for me. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/3083-m8-image-quality-expectations/?do=findComment&comment=29387'>More sharing options...
humanized_form Posted August 12, 2006 Share #26 Posted August 12, 2006 i will continue to shoot slides along with the M8. why? because the combination of a M7, a quality lens and good slide film does something i don't think digital can consistently do: that would be high quality images straight out of the camera (no jpeg artifacts). images which are sharp as the lens used and exposed as i intended them to be in camera. no post processing(beyond E6) required. digital still seems to be a lot about making the picture after you take the picture. choosing which raw converter, which sharpening tool,which noise reduction program, which monitor calibration program, which printer profile etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 12, 2006 Share #27 Posted August 12, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Pascal I know JR pretty well and he shots all leica DMR gear and has a nice lens collection to go with it. Very good shooter and really nice guy to boot. There are several Pro's that I know that only shoot the DMR including myself and the same thing is mentioned time and time again. The DMR is the best they have used in the DSLR world. Now the M8 which is already being questioned as a image maker if equal to the DMR and even just equal to it.it will be a screaming winner. Sorry but lost all attraction to film many moons ago and if i had a film camera it would have been sold the day the DMR hit the streets. For the film leica guys holding on to there film camera's will be in for a wake up call when they start seeing the M8 files. right now I would only have a film Leica M for the collector value of them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pascal_meheut Posted August 12, 2006 Share #28 Posted August 12, 2006 Yes, Guy, I did not meet JR but I talked with him on another forum as he speaks a perfect french. Very nice guy and nice pictures too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 12, 2006 Share #29 Posted August 12, 2006 I hope the M8 will be even better than the DMR. The DMR is used professionally in Studio for advertising photography. Look this website: http://www.muray-assts.com/leica/proves_optiques.htm It is of a studio of Barcelona (Spain). It is written in Catalan, but there are no texts. There are several comparisons with the Canon 5D. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 12, 2006 Share #30 Posted August 12, 2006 Ruben i have a feeling it will be better than the DMR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
humanized_form Posted August 12, 2006 Share #31 Posted August 12, 2006 Guy, i hope the M8 files are killer. i'm counting on that. i'm no film die hard. i started with digital and then went analog and now use both. after using a M7 there was no way i was going back to only using digital cameras. my M7 isn't ready to be a collectors item. i think of it as a nearly perfect analog camera. there is no digital equivalent. yet. so i'm really hoping the M8 is something special. i got my M8 fund at 100%. bring it on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted August 12, 2006 Share #32 Posted August 12, 2006 The old leica film camera's are great and i know people still want to shoot film, I am just letting them know with the DMR I left nothing behind. That quality does continue in leica's digital arena so the old arguement film vs digital is a dead horse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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