Leica M10-R VS. SL2 which one to get?

[JeffWright]

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1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

here is a video on ISO 100 AUTO issue.

even after resetting the camera. 

If you have any suggestion for me to try please speak up

Do you have image stabilization off? If not, your M-L mount adapter is not communicating with the body.

I thought I had this problem when I had my 75 'lux mounted recently. But then I noticed image stabilization was off as well. Looking it through the menu items, I noticed the body wasn't able to identify the 6-bit coding of any M lens. It turns out it I had to remount the M adapter a couple of times before both IS and auto-ISO were working- after making sure all the contacts and the 6-bit sensor were clean.

I actually think this is a shortcoming of the firmware, one ought to be able to override this and force the camera to recognize that a lens is mounted.

Edited March 14, 2020 by JeffWright

[Aktenschrank]

1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

here is a video on ISO 100 AUTO issue.

even after resetting the camera. 

If you have any suggestion for me to try please speak up

This happens when the camera does not know which lens is mounted. Unfortunately the 6 bit code is not re-read when switching profiles. Meaning, after each profile switch you have to re-select the correct lens by going to the lens profile menu and switch it to auto. That is when you didn't create the profile with an M-lens attached, in which case it will work, but always refer to aperture priority, also when you have an L-mount lens attached and switch to that specific profile. I'm not a big fan of this behaviour, it seems way complicated to me and is not documented at all in the user manual. Some more info in this thread: 

 

[BernardC]

17 hours ago, Aktenschrank said:

has this actually ever happened before in cameraland? That a manufacturer releases a higher capacity battery with the same form factor that can be used on existing bodies?

Yes, and multiple times. The Leica S battery went up in capacity when the S-007 came out. The newer battery is backward-compatible to the older cameras. Sadly not the other way around though, you can not use the old battery in newer cameras.

The most common battery to increase in capacity over time is the Canon EP6 that they've used in countless cameras. It has gone through several generations over the last dozen years.

[Aktenschrank]

Thanks @Jared & @BernardC ! I was not aware of that... So let's keep our fingers crossed that Leica is delivering in this regard! 

[Photoworks]

1 hour ago, Aktenschrank said:

This happens when the camera does not know which lens is mounted. Unfortunately the 6 bit code is not re-read when switching profiles. Meaning, after each profile switch you have to re-select the correct lens by going to the lens profile menu and switch it to auto. That is when you didn't create the profile with an M-lens attached, in which case it will work, but always refer to aperture priority, also when you have an L-mount lens attached and switch to that specific profile. I'm not a big fan of this behaviour, it seems way complicated to me and is not documented at all in the user manual. Some more info in this thread: 

 

Yes , I see the problem. it is probably because M lenses should only use M and A modes.

attaching the L lens bring up another issue at this point, Still only M and A mode in the profile.

this is not normal and def need fixing.. In other cameras using M lenses I can use S mode and auto iso, that is actually how I prefer it, so that the adjustment week is for exposure compensation.

 

question is when the firmware will come out?

[Jared]

4 hours ago, Photoworks said:

here is a video on ISO 100 AUTO issue.

even after resetting the camera. 

If you have any suggestion for me to try please speak up

Seems likely that your camera isn’t recognizing the lens, so it doesn’t know how/when to start boosting the ISO.  Are you using the Leica M-L adapter or another brand?  If it’s the Leica version it should pass the 6-bit encoding and the camera should recognize the lens.  Try cleaning the contacts to make sure this is happening.  

If you are using a different brand adapter, you will need to tell the camera what lens is mounted for either auto ISO or IBIS to work.  

[Jared]

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1 hour ago, Photoworks said:

Yes , I see the problem. it is probably because M lenses should only use M and A modes.

attaching the L lens bring up another issue at this point, Still only M and A mode in the profile.

this is not normal and def need fixing.. In other cameras using M lenses I can use S mode and auto iso, that is actually how I prefer it, so that the adjustment week is for exposure compensation.

 

question is when the firmware will come out?

Wait, what?  If you attach an L lens you only have M and A modes?  No S and P?  I don’t understand.  

S mode doesn’t make sense with an ‘M’ lens.  How can the camera adjust the aperture when it is purely mechanical on the lens?  Same for ‘P’ mode with an ‘M’ lens.  Really, the only modes that make sense with a M lens are A and M.  If you want to set both aperture and shutter speed, put it in M mode.  The camera can still adjust ISO if you want.  
 

[01af]

Am 13.3.2020 um 01:36 schrieb eev776:

Getting Leica M10-R or SL2 is a big question for me.

Well ... you know that a non-existent camera will take only non-existent photographs, don't you?

[Photoworks]

4 hours ago, Jared said:

Wait, what?  If you attach an L lens you only have M and A modes?  No S and P?  I don’t understand.  

S mode doesn’t make sense with an ‘M’ lens.  How can the camera adjust the aperture when it is purely mechanical on the lens?  Same for ‘P’ mode with an ‘M’ lens.  Really, the only modes that make sense with a M lens are A and M.  If you want to set both aperture and shutter speed, put it in M mode.  The camera can still adjust ISO if you want.  
 

only M and S with M adapter. that what it says in the manual too.

P-S-M-A with L lenses. but if you have a lens with manual f-stop and it is set to anything than automatic, you get only M-A modes

[Jared]

14 hours ago, Photoworks said:

only M and S with M adapter. that what it says in the manual too.

P-S-M-A with L lenses. but if you have a lens with manual f-stop and it is set to anything than automatic, you get only M-A modes

On page 161 of the English language user manual it states that any lens with an aperture ring, i.e., M and R lenses will only work in M and A modes.  I think you may have misread or mis remembered the manual.  It says nothing about S mode with M lenses.  That wouldn’t make sense since the camera can’t control aperture.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Jared
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[Photoworks]

4 hours ago, Jared said:

On page 161 of the English language user manual it states that any lens with an aperture ring, i.e., M and R lenses will only work in M and A modes.  I think you may have misread or mis remembered the manual.  It says nothing about S mode with M lenses.  That wouldn’t make sense since the camera can’t control aperture.

yes correct

[Jared]

4 hours ago, Photoworks said:

yes correct

So yours is working as specified in the manual?  You get M and A modes but not P and S modes when using an adapted M lens?  You implied otherwise in post 29 or maybe I misunderstood you.  I thought you were saying there was a firmware fix needed, but it sounds like yours is working to specification.

[Photoworks]

2 hours ago, Jared said:

So yours is working as specified in the manual?  You get M and A modes but not P and S modes when using an adapted M lens?  You implied otherwise in post 29 or maybe I misunderstood you.  I thought you were saying there was a firmware fix needed, but it sounds like yours is working to specification.

if you look at the video I have all modes with M lenses, video starts with P

[Jared]

4 hours ago, Photoworks said:

if you look at the video I have all modes with M lenses, video starts with P

As others have mentioned, it is clear from your video that with your Noctilux attached the camera isn’t recognizing the lens.  Either there is something wrong with your M-L adapter or you are not using a Leica adapter and haven’t told the camera the lens profile.  If the SL2 doesn’t know what lens is mounted, then P-A-S-M are all “available”, but P and S won’t work properly and both auto ISO and image stabilization won’t work.  Note that your IBIS icon is also off in your video.  
 

Try cleaning the contacts on your M-L adapter.  Check to make sure the 6-bit marks on the lens aren’t damaged.  If that doesn’t help, manually choose a lens profile.  It should then behave as in the manual.

[Photoworks]

7 hours ago, Jared said:

As others have mentioned, it is clear from your video that with your Noctilux attached the camera isn’t recognizing the lens.  Either there is something wrong with your M-L adapter or you are not using a Leica adapter and haven’t told the camera the lens profile.  If the SL2 doesn’t know what lens is mounted, then P-A-S-M are all “available”, but P and S won’t work properly and both auto ISO and image stabilization won’t work.  Note that your IBIS icon is also off in your video.  
 

Try cleaning the contacts on your M-L adapter.  Check to make sure the 6-bit marks on the lens aren’t damaged.  If that doesn’t help, manually choose a lens profile.  It should then behave as in the manual.

it seam already pointed out that Leica is working on fixing the bug in firmware

[alexzz]

13 hours ago, Jared said:

As others have mentioned, it is clear from your video that with your Noctilux attached the camera isn’t recognizing the lens.  Either there is something wrong with your M-L adapter or you are not using a Leica adapter and haven’t told the camera the lens profile.  If the SL2 doesn’t know what lens is mounted, then P-A-S-M are all “available”, but P and S won’t work properly and both auto ISO and image stabilization won’t work.  Note that your IBIS icon is also off in your video.  
 

Try cleaning the contacts on your M-L adapter.  Check to make sure the 6-bit marks on the lens aren’t damaged.  If that doesn’t help, manually choose a lens profile.  It should then behave as in the manual.

I have the SL2 + Noctilux, and the same problem ... I have manually choose the Noctilux profile, so I see now the IBIS icon, but auto-iso stays at iso100, in M or A.

 

Edited March 16, 2020 by alexzz

[Jared]

9 minutes ago, alexzz said:

I have the SL2 + Noctilux, and the same problem ... I have manually choose the Noctilux profile, so I see now the IBIS icon, but auto-iso stays at iso100, in M or A.

 

Interesting.  Did you see the thread Photoworks just linked to?  What user profile were you using?  I seem to recall from when I got my CL and was using it with ‘M’ lenses that I needed to create all my user profiles—even the one I typically used with ‘M’ lenses—with an ‘L’ lens installed.  Then I could use them with any ‘M’ lens.  It’s a vague memory from a couple years ago, though.  Worth a try if you are running into this with user profiles you setup.