Einst_Stein Posted February 12, 2020 Share #61 Posted February 12, 2020 Advertisement (gone after registration) It looks normal to me. The best way to clear your doubt is to send him some other films, such as Tmax or Delta. If the difference is consistent, then it is his style. It is hard to say it is a flaw. If you don’t like, find other developer or do it yourself. My experiences, non-c41 B&W is hard to satisfy by the photo lab, it has too much personality. Only you know what you want. Better to do it yourself. Otherwise you have to live with a consistent developer and take it as part of the given variables to adjust your shooting. Or simply use C41 B&W to reduce the processing variations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tommonego@gmail.com Posted February 13, 2020 Share #62 Posted February 13, 2020 Just to add this is A 100% clip from a photo with TMax 400 developed in TMax developer. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305288-too-much-grain/?do=findComment&comment=3912498'>More sharing options...
plasticman Posted February 14, 2020 Share #63 Posted February 14, 2020 14 hours ago, tommonego@gmail.com said: Just to add this is A 100% clip from a photo with TMax 400 developed in TMax developer. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! For me, this image has image-compression artifacts rather than grain. Could simply be the forum compression of course. I think one of the difficulties of discussing grain online, is both that we've all become accustomed to 100% crops of super-clean (and super-boring) digital images, and also this associated problem of scanning or upload-compression artifacts. In my view, it really depends what the end-use for an image is supposed to be - when printing for instance, I sharpen a lot more than for web upload. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotomas Posted February 14, 2020 Share #64 Posted February 14, 2020 Found it hard to tell if you only have the 100% crop without the whole picture. So you can't know how much it is enlarged. Also scanning does a lot to the graininess. I made a comparison between a Epson V850 scanner and an Imacon 848 a while ago. The Epson performed better than expected, but it pronounces the grain in the highlights much more the the Imacon. I guess it depends on a much stronger sharpening taken place here. M6, 35mm CronASPH1, TRI-X Total Imacon Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Total Epson 100% Imacon 100% Epson 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Total Epson 100% Imacon 100% Epson ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305288-too-much-grain/?do=findComment&comment=3912847'>More sharing options...
tommonego@gmail.com Posted February 14, 2020 Share #65 Posted February 14, 2020 5 hours ago, plasticman said: For me, this image has image-compression artifacts rather than grain. Could simply be the forum compression of course. I think one of the difficulties of discussing grain online, is both that we've all become accustomed to 100% crops of super-clean (and super-boring) digital images, and also this associated problem of scanning or upload-compression artifacts. In my view, it really depends what the end-use for an image is supposed to be - when printing for instance, I sharpen a lot more than for web upload. That was a 70mb TIFF file out of my scanner, to upload it here I had to save it as a PS 10 jpeg the only compression in the workflow. I don't have a darkroom any longer but it is very close to 8x10 TMax enlargements I have done, I'm seeing TMax grain. May be the scanning affected the image, I can photograph it and see, do a conversion. But will a DNG do any better than a TIFF scan? Below is the full image but from the TIFF I had to resize it and save it as a jpeg, more compression. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305288-too-much-grain/?do=findComment&comment=3912941'>More sharing options...
plasticman Posted February 14, 2020 Share #66 Posted February 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, tommonego@gmail.com said: That was a 70mb TIFF file out of my scanner, to upload it here I had to save it as a PS 10 jpeg the only compression in the workflow. I don't have a darkroom any longer but it is very close to 8x10 TMax enlargements I have done, I'm seeing TMax grain. May be the scanning affected the image, I can photograph it and see, do a conversion. But will a DNG do any better than a TIFF scan? Below is the full image but from the TIFF I had to resize it and save it as a jpeg, more compression. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! I’m sure the scan and the image itself looks great - sorry for not making myself clear. I was only talking about the inherent problems of online viewing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommonego@gmail.com Posted February 21, 2020 Share #67 Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) OK I am getting the b&w workflow down, below is on TMax 100, a 15 year old 100ft roll I found in my photo stuff. I am photographing with my CL on the slide copier have described, , at the exposure that is correct in the camera. So I have a 16 bit DNG file, in ACR I reverse the curve and change it to b&w, I have to see how to save the curve in the latest ACR, results have been consistent. I make minor adjustments to highlights and shadows, black and white with the snow, then I open the file. I make minor changes in levels to give a full tonality range, sharpen, the convert to an 8 bit jpeg to present here. M3 25mm Canon f3.5 LTM Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Edited February 21, 2020 by tommonego@gmail.com 2 Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/305288-too-much-grain/?do=findComment&comment=3916733'>More sharing options...
Ornello Posted March 15, 2020 Share #68 Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) You should see no grain at all from Tri-X at this scale. Labs routinely over-develop film, and scanning makes grain much worse. You should process and print, not scan, film yourself. Otherwise use Ilford XP2. I have made many 11x14 prints from Tri-X with no observable graininess. These films are not intended for scanning, and doing so produces poor results compared to optical printing. Edited March 15, 2020 by Ornello Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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