35mm Summilux ASPHERICAL (AA) Sample images

[Daedalus2000]

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17 hours ago, Steven said:

I'm limited to 2,44MB. Havent found a way to compress my 30MB files to a 2,44MB that looks decent. 

Have you tried this?

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[IkarusJohn]

Is there any reason Leica could not manufacture a new 35 Summilux Aspherical, using the same design as they have with the 28 Summaron, the Thambar and the f/1 Noctilux?

Legend has it that they made only 1,000 of the lenses as the failure rate with hand grinding was so high.  This shouldn't be a problem with modern manufacturing methods.  Or is it like the 75 Summilux-M - a lens Peter Karbe has no particular interest in (putting it at its best)?

Or do they feel, based on their metrics for quality, that they have improved on the Aspherical and the only reason for go back there is for legacy lenses ...

 

[adan]

I think the Aspherical goes against the current Leica philosophy of "better" or more-even resolution across the whole picture, even if it means trading off a bit of center resolution (or other things).

Which philosophy - BTW - is already visible even in the 1994 ASPH v.1 replacement, before Peter Karbe ran things.

I am also not sure Leica could replicate the exact double-Aspherical design and fingerprint with molded aspherics - the word on the 50mm f/1.2 Noctilux revival is that it isn't really exactly the original in fingerprint. The exact same glass may not be available - or amenable to molding.

I mean, could Bentley today actually exactly re-create a 1929 4.5-litre "Blower"? They could make parts that are specced and look and probably perform about the same - but someone like Steven would likely detect a slightly less basso exhaust growl, or a more tenor "blower" howl, or a touch different feel in the cornering, or a somewhat less evocative smell to the leather, or a different glow to the nickel-plating.

 

[insideline]

11 hours ago, adan said:

I think the Aspherical goes against the current Leica philosophy of "better" or more-even resolution across the whole picture, even if it means trading off a bit of center resolution (or other things).

Which philosophy - BTW - is already visible even in the 1994 ASPH v.1 replacement, before Peter Karbe ran things.

I am also not sure Leica could replicate the exact double-Aspherical design and fingerprint with molded aspherics - the word on the 50mm f/1.2 Noctilux revival is that it isn't really exactly the original in fingerprint. The exact same glass may not be available - or amenable to molding.

I mean, could Bentley today actually exactly re-create a 1929 4.5-litre "Blower"? They could make parts that are specced and look and probably perform about the same - but someone like Steven would likely detect a slightly less basso exhaust growl, or a more tenor "blower" howl, or a touch different feel in the cornering, or a somewhat less evocative smell to the leather, or a different glow to the nickel-plating.

 

With regards to Leica's new 50 1.2 Noctilux and how it compares to the original, I have had a chance to compare them and you are correct, IE: while the new lens is actually a better all around lens to use it does not replicate the unique signature of the original. I am fortunate to have inherited my Dad's 1968 F1.2 and also to have received an early copy of the new 50 1.2 redo lens. The original is not the greatest performer when it comes to sharpness and measured performance yet it does "render" in a beautiful and artistic flowing manner that even my F1 E58 Noctilux cannot replicate. The new 50 1.2 is soft-ish wide open but lacks the originals flair in how the photograph is rendered. Then by F2 the new lens is much sharper than the original along with better contrast and as you continue to open the aperture further the new lens continues to improve in sharpness and contrast whereas the original simply does not. Is the new 50 1.2 a nice lens, yes it is but it is not a true replica of the original at least not from what I could see. 

[Capuccino-Muffin]

Please.

Until yesteday the original Noctilux was a sub-performer.

Today, it is suddenly a “unique signature” lens.

Let’s just take it as it is, without the overboard stuff.

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54 minutes ago, Capuccino-Muffin said:

Please.

Until yesteday the original Noctilux was a sub-performer.

Today, it is suddenly a “unique signature” lens.

Let’s just take it as it is, without the overboard stuff.

Using the term "unique signature" in no way is as you say cardboard stuff. It does posses a unique signature, I know as I own most of the 50mm lens that Leica has produced along with many others. I am not in any way trying to overstate how this lens renders only to share it is indeed unique when compared to most other lens including most if not all of Leica's other 50mm lenses. I take these forums to be fun, can we please keep it that way, thanks.

[01af]

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If you want a unique signature lens, get a Summarit 5 cm 1:1.5. Or an uncoated Elmar 50 mm 1:3.5. Or, if you want to stick to the 35 mm focal length, an Elmar 3.5 cm 1:3.5. All of them at least as ... um, unique (if you want to call it this way) as the Summilux-M 35 mm Aspherical, and way more affordable.

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1 hour ago, 01af said:

If you want a unique signature lens, get a Summarit 5 cm 1:1.5. Or an uncoated Elmar 50 mm 1:3.5. Or, if you want to stick to the 35 mm focal length, an Elmar 3.5 cm 1:3.5. All of them at least as ... um, unique (if you want to call it this way) as the Summilux-M 35 mm Aspherical, and way more affordable.

If we really want to discuss lenses which render with truly unique signatures my P. Angenieux S21 50mm f1.5 lens renders in ways none of my extensive collection of Leica lenses can hope to match. 

[IkarusJohn]

3 hours ago, 01af said:

If you want a unique signature lens, get a Summarit 5 cm 1:1.5. Or an uncoated Elmar 50 mm 1:3.5. Or, if you want to stick to the 35 mm focal length, an Elmar 3.5 cm 1:3.5. All of them at least as ... um, unique (if you want to call it this way) as the Summilux-M 35 mm Aspherical, and way more affordable.

Yep, the Summarit is certainly” unique”.  It has a sort of seasick quality about it …

[Guest JMF]

8 hours ago, Capuccino-Muffin said:

I mean, could Bentley today actually exactly re-create a 1929 4.5-litre "Blower"?

Until yesteday the original Noctilux was a sub-performer.

Today, it is suddenly a “unique signature” lens.

Let’s just take it as it is, without the overboard stuff.

Are we discussing and sharing pictures of the 35 AA lens here?

That was the OP's intention. 

Edited April 28, 2021 by JMF

[Erato]

4 hours ago, insideline said:

If we really want to discuss lenses which render with truly unique signatures my P. Angenieux S21 50mm f1.5 lens renders in ways none of my extensive collection of Leica lenses can hope to match. 

According to personal experience, Dallmeyer Septac(or Super-six), Tokyo Optical Simlar(or Topcor 5cm 1.5) and Angenieux S21 are the lenses that go way beyond the level of unique signature...^L^ 

 

[Wonzo]

vor 17 Stunden schrieb insideline:

If we really want to discuss lenses which render with truly unique signatures my P. Angenieux S21 50mm f1.5 lens renders in ways none of my extensive collection of Leica lenses can hope to match. 

This is interesting. I havenˋt  ever seen pictures of this lens. Would you be so kind to show some examples? Do you by chance know the f/0,95 50mm Canon lens? I own this lens and I wonder, if the rendering might be comparable if at all.

[Guest JMF]

17 minutes ago, Wonzo said:

This is interesting. I havenˋt  ever seen pictures of this lens. Would you be so kind to show some examples? Do you by chance know the f/0,95 50mm Canon lens? I own this lens and I wonder, if the rendering might be comparable if at all.

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/search/?q=S21&quick=1&type=forums_topic&nodes=130

[Wonzo]

vor 13 Minuten schrieb JMF:

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/search/?q=S21&quick=1&type=forums_topic&nodes=130

Many thanks for the link !

[insideline]

5 hours ago, Wonzo said:

Many thanks for the link !

JMF: 

Thank you for saving me from me struggling to upload photos and still have them look anything like the original photograph! Wonzo, I hope the links helped you to understand what the S21 50 1.5 is capable of. Also once in Lightroom the files are for whatever reason able to be very manipulated and enhanced to gain the most out of the rendering and aberrations especially. 

[Ph0t0Bo55]

On 4/23/2021 at 12:11 PM, roelandinho said:

I’m thinking the two hand ground aspheric surfaces are difficult to produce and would lead to a large sample variation. The newer design is a lot more efficient to produce with about equal image quality. 

Agree 100%. The newest design is so incredibly good that it literally make things better in every single way!

[Wonzo]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb insideline:

JMF: 

Thank you for saving me from me struggling to upload photos and still have them look anything like the original photograph! Wonzo, I hope the links helped you to understand what the S21 50 1.5 is capable of. Also once in Lightroom the files are for whatever reason able to be very manipulated and enhanced to gain the most out of the rendering and aberrations especially. 

Itˋs really a pitty, that I cannot make you show a single of your images taken. As I can see,  you also have every argument on your side, not to do so in the forseeable future ... 😃

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11 hours ago, Wonzo said:

Itˋs really a pitty, that I cannot make you show a single of your images taken. As I can see,  you also have every argument on your side, not to do so in the forseeable future ... 😃

Wonzo: Such pressure to perform! Ok let me see what I can come up with but it may take me a bit of time. Thank you (I think) for the encouragement. 

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[Wonzo]

vor 34 Minuten schrieb insideline:

Wonzo: Such pressure to perform! Ok let me see what I can come up with but it may take me a bit of time. Thank you (I think) for the encouragement. 

 No pressure intended, Insideline. Feel free to do whatever you like. Iˋm just getting curious after realizing, that you own a few very interesting lenses, of which I would really like to see more image examples (Angenieux), or comparisons of the old and new f/1.2 Noctilux, maybe also some more image examples of the 35mm AA, of which there is more written than shown in this forum. 

[FilmSpiel]

at a weak moment i ordered a Leica Summilux ASPERICAL at a local Leica store, because i was curious  and the myth about it.

the day after the payment, i regret it because it thought its just because its limited and so on and just hyped up.

 

as i got it, i thought "ah ok nice, i will keep it and sell it later and see it as an investment...."

but then i tryed it and checked the results. and what can i say? i think im in love, and i will never sell it to anyone.

it´s like the FLE but different, and the look is to me more like a 1.0 50mm Noctilux.

 

i´m really happy and will share some pictures the next weeks

 

 

Alex

 

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