jimcollum Posted July 27, 2007 Share #21 Posted July 27, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) John - I also love the 75 Lux (Malcolm's currently finishing a complete refurb of mine)... BUT - I'd like to see the image you put up and the link doesn't work in Firefox of IE... i didn't see a john in the thread, so i think you might mean me. I've been able to get there no problem.. can anyone else see follow the link to the image (i'm assuming putting a full size M8 image inline here is a no-no, that's why the link) jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 27, 2007 Posted July 27, 2007 Hi jimcollum, Take a look here 75mm Lux/Cron or 90mm Cron what do you recomend ?. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
fordfanjpn Posted July 27, 2007 Share #22 Posted July 27, 2007 i didn't see a john in the thread, so i think you might mean me. I've been able to get there no problem.. can anyone else see follow the link to the image (i'm assuming putting a full size M8 image inline here is a no-no, that's why the link) jim Works fine for me on a Mac dual G5 with Firefox. Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwelland Posted July 27, 2007 Share #23 Posted July 27, 2007 Link was broken. Works now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted July 27, 2007 Share #24 Posted July 27, 2007 Jan, I own both these lenses, and don't regularly use either one with the M8. My 90 'cron is an early Canadian version and the images are softer than those from the 75 'lux. I don't notice the weight, but they are both harder to focus than my 24 thru 50, and I use the 1.25 magnifier all the time. When I want to reach out, I generally use the 75. If I need to do portraits of older folks, I'm gonna grab the 90. Disclosure: I regulary carry: CV15 with all John Milich's stuff, 24, 35 'lux-A, 50 'lux-A. Can you try them out? Also, if you're going to try them out do so for a week if you can. It takes a while to get the hang of these lenses. In contrast, I succeeded with my 24 in seconds and continue to fall in love with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted July 28, 2007 Share #25 Posted July 28, 2007 Link works for me too now - what a nice image. For what it's worth I'm putting up a portrait I took of my wife. She's really difficult to get looking like I see her. This is how I see her. 75 Lux does the job. Best Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/29660-75mm-luxcron-or-90mm-cron-what-do-you-recomend/?do=findComment&comment=315487'>More sharing options...
Guest Olof Posted July 28, 2007 Share #26 Posted July 28, 2007 It depends if you want to go for the focal length or the character. As a focal length the 75 is a bit close to the 50, which is the same speed as well. That would argue for the 90. I think the character of the 75 will please you so much, that your 50 will see little use, except when weight counts. Is it true that the 90 Cron mask a part of the rangefinder ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted July 28, 2007 Share #27 Posted July 28, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) The 75 Lux already does, so I am sure that the 90 Cron will! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted July 28, 2007 Share #28 Posted July 28, 2007 The 75 Lux already does, so I am sure that the 90 Cron will! Keep in mind the 75 framlines occupy a significantly larger portion of the VF AND the 75 Lux is 5mm WIDER than the 90 Cron -- so however you slice it, the 90 is going to obscure a significantly lower percentage of the lower RH side of its frame than the 75 does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted July 28, 2007 Share #29 Posted July 28, 2007 I own the 75 lux and the 90 Apo cron and i have to say i could not sell one over the other, i love them both for different things and going to keep both Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
carstenw Posted July 28, 2007 Share #30 Posted July 28, 2007 I have the older 75 Lux which is a bit slimmer, and it still sticks in. I can't seem to find the dimensions of the 90/2. The Apo-90 Cron is 64x78mm WxH. My 1st gen. 75 Lux measures around 71x80mm, so it is a bit larger. Here is a webpage by Paul Butzi where he describes the size of the 90 Cron, as well as writing that the 75 Lux is a much better lens: Paul Butzi Photography Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted July 28, 2007 Share #31 Posted July 28, 2007 Keep in mind the 75 framlines occupy a significantly larger portion of the VF AND the 75 Lux is 5mm WIDER than the 90 Cron -- so however you slice it, the 90 is going to obscure a significantly lower percentage of the lower RH side of its frame than the 75 does. Since I had my 90mm preAsph on my M8, I took a look. With the lens shade extended, the edge of the shade cross the corner of the 90mm framelines at 25ft. At closest focus it touches the bottom of the right hand frameline. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted July 28, 2007 Share #32 Posted July 28, 2007 I have the older 75 Lux which is a bit slimmer, and it still sticks in. I can't seem to find the dimensions of the 90/2. The Apo-90 Cron is 64x78mm WxH. My 1st gen. 75 Lux measures around 71x80mm, so it is a bit larger. Here is a webpage by Paul Butzi where he describes the size of the 90 Cron, as well as writing that the 75 Lux is a much better lens: Paul Butzi Photography Paul would be correct if he is referring to the first generation 90 Cron optically. But the photo is of the 3rd version and if he is referring to that lens, he got a bad lens. I had the 90 AA and compared it directly to the 3rd versaion Cron -- last pre-AA with built-in hood. This was back with film M's. I could only tell the difference in resolution at f2, and slight adantage to the AA at f2.8. By f4 they were identical in resolution, though the AA had higher contrast. In the end, I actually preferred the look from the Pre-A 3rd version because it emulated the look of the 75 Lux in a lighter and easier (quicker) to focus package... To be continued... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted July 28, 2007 Share #33 Posted July 28, 2007 Since I had my 90mm preAsph on my M8, I took a look. With the lens shade extended, the edge of the shade cross the corner of the 90mm framelines at 25ft. At closest focus it touches the bottom of the right hand frameline.Bob Thanks for sharing this Bob. That was my recollection -- that the 90 with built-in hood did NOT obscure any significant portion of its frame. By contrast, the 75 Lux chops off quite a bit... This is another reason I preferred the 90 in my film days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted July 28, 2007 Share #34 Posted July 28, 2007 Thanks for sharing this Bob. That was my recollection -- that the 90 with built-in hood did NOT obscure any significant portion of its frame. By contrast, the 75 Lux chops off quite a bit... This is another reason I preferred the 90 in my film days Hi Jack, I find it works for me on the cropped M8 and if used at 6ft, only a smidge of the corner frame is obscured. The field at 6ft is around 14" X 21", for a nice tight head crop. It is the first NEW Leica lens, that I ever bought, back when I could hardly afford used ones. The wife thinks it is too sharp:rolleyes: Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoffreyg Posted July 29, 2007 Share #35 Posted July 29, 2007 A bit OT, but the 75 CV. I couldn't make up my mind between 75 lux and the 90 Elmarit (collapsible, closeup), so am trying the 75 CV for a low $ beginning. Pretty nice lens. This was in a theater, under "available light" at ISO 640, about 1/60th, probably close to wide open. JPG, no correction. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/29660-75mm-luxcron-or-90mm-cron-what-do-you-recomend/?do=findComment&comment=315964'>More sharing options...
chris_tribble Posted July 31, 2007 Share #36 Posted July 31, 2007 Geoff - lovely image - the CV is a remarkably good value lens... FWIW I'm adding a comparison of the 75 Summilux and Canon EF 85 1.2 on a 5D... I've just had my Lux restored by Malcolm Taylor and it's wonderful... The images attached are both at f 2.8 - this is where the Lux really starts to bite for me. 100% crop (Canon followed by Leica) + the whole image from the Lux. The upshot of comparison for me is that they're both excellent lenses. I still love the Canon - but if I had to chose between the two lens + body combinations for carrying all day I'd choose the Leica every time... Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/29660-75mm-luxcron-or-90mm-cron-what-do-you-recomend/?do=findComment&comment=317331'>More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted July 31, 2007 Share #37 Posted July 31, 2007 If Olaf is still reading this thread, I now am in possesion of both lenses and can offer these comments... But please note I am referring to the last Pre-AA 90 Cron with the built-in hood. Earleier versions with removabe hoods were not the same optical formula and do not perform the same. 1) The 90 Cron is smaller (both narrower and shorter) and lighter than the 75 Lux. (And as such, it is smaller and lighter than the AA version.) 2) With hoods extended, the 90 Cron *just* barely hits the lower corner of its frame, the 75 lops off about 20%(? -- sommewhat subjective estimate). Though I would add I don't think its a huge deal either way 3) The closest focus distance on teh 75 is .75 meters, the closest on the 90 is 1meter. This means you can get a lsightly higher subject magnification with the 75 using both lenses at their closest focus distances. (Both lenses have the same total focus throw from close to infinity, about 160 degrees or so.) 4) The 90 is significantly sharper than the 75 at f2. In fact, it looks as sharp as I remember my APO ASPH looking in the center, perhaps a shade less so in the corners, but I am spliting hairs -- I'll go on record saying this latest version Pre-AA Cron is essentially as good as the AA version. At f2.8 they're even closer at the corners and at f4 there is no doubt in my mind they are equal. 5) The 75 Lux cost me 2-1/2 times what the 90 Pre-Cron cost me -- IMO the 90 Pre-Cron is the M8 bargain to be had right now. 6) The oof renderings (bokeh) are identical -- and I mean identical. 7) DoF limits appear identical using both lenses at their widest apertures from the same distances. (Both are paper-thin.) 8) Wide open, the 75 has more "glow" (flare) in the highlights -- an effect I actually like, but it is flare. By contrast, the 90 has very little wide open. At f2, the 75 still has some remaining, while the 90 Cron has only the barest hint. At f4 they are identical in their rendering and again, essentially as good as anything else Leica currently makes. 9) The actual framing perspective of the two lenses is so similar there is no need in my mind to own both -- unless you want both "looks" as described above. (Given their combined weight, you need to be nuts to carry both anyway ) In conclusion, unless you need/want the additional glow at f1.4 and/or the slightly greater subject magnification available at close focus, the smaller, lighter and cheaper 90 Cron is the lens to get. Unfortunately, I want those things the 75 delivers for my shooting style, so I will keep the more expensive 75 and sell this Cron. (It is in Like New condition BTW and I will posting it later with pictures in the B&S for $800) I will try and upload some sample images showing these differences later this morning. Cheers, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted July 31, 2007 Share #38 Posted July 31, 2007 Morning Jack , I am finally home after a long long week in NY shooting runway and running a very large convention with images and graphics and such. i have to say the 75 lux for the stage work even though I was able to shoot at f4 was just killer in every case. Man do l like the Lux but what also is getting me is the 90 Apo cron is just a brilliant lens, If you need crisp images well it delivers it in spades. I honestly had a hard time deciding which one to shoot so i put one on each body and went to town. Barely missed with either one. i had a few misses with the 135 apo but when i nailed it, was just killer. i was doing runway folks with walking subjects not the easiest task with RF but i really surprised myself on how good a job i was getting from all the lenses. I just had one M8 and my 50 lux and 135 Apo fine tuned before i went to NY which leica shipped them to me at my hotel after they calibrated them. Every lens and body is dead on. When this system is working to spec it is really hard to beat. now I want to find some 50 year old glass to play with. Jack nice to see you finally picking up where you left off on the M system . Our workshop in Yosemite will be really awesome now that we are both working the M8 and will bring a lot of great information on this and other systems. Folks interested inthe workshop we are getting things together on it and please just e-mail Jack or me on it. We have not advertised it at all except for this comment and my signature and don't plan too either, so just let us know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted July 31, 2007 Share #39 Posted July 31, 2007 I hear you Guy! Here are some quick grabs this morning from both -- tried to take them from the exact same distance, and focus on the same points, but was a bit off -- it's really tough to get the same point of focus when the DoF is so paper thin!. Anyway, should be close enough for folks to see differences -- or more accurately the similarities! First, the 75 Lux wide open at about 1 meter: Next the 90 Pre-AA Cron wide open from about the same 1 meter: And finally, the 75 Lux at f2 and a bit closer on to try and match the 90 perspective: Cheers, Jack Cheers, Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_Flesher Posted July 31, 2007 Share #40 Posted July 31, 2007 Now here are crops from the plane of focus from each. Note that while the 90 PoF is slightly behind the 75's, you can definitely tell the 90 is the sharper and higher contrast of the two wide open: The 75: The 90: Dangit -- this 90 is really nice! Maybe have to keep it too Mancuso ROTFLMAO!!! Now here is the 75 Lux at f2, from a little closer to try and match the 90 Cron image size. Note that resolution and contrast have improved significantly, and the 75 Lux at f2 is very close to the performance of the 90 Cron at f2: Again, this is why *I* have decided to keep the 75 Lux... But for the money, I have to repeat my comment from above, that the 90 Pre-Cron (again, latest version with built-in hood) is an outstanding bargain in the Leica M glass line for a fast tele... Cheers, Jack Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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