M8 shooters more wide open than Pre M8

[vic vic]

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so what is the mess of the question from the first place.......

m8 phtoographers at its best make either great images which they were doing on film or crap shity ones that they were doing with film......... they just have more to talk about now......... that is why i call this kind of stuff - pornography, i mean not real photography, or conscuently - degenratography........... more to talk about this and that and that and this and to talk and talk more and more..................... and most important ...... to think that - "it is obvious that that picture with that gadget is great picture wityh great bokeh resolution high iso lens mtf test """""""""""""""""""""""""""""" bla bla.............................

 

m8 allows higher iso ???????????????????????? of course keep on with m8 if this is what you need and find convinient .......... but............ do you want to say that you cannot make high iso with film ?????????????????? guy honestly....... the new provia 400x cuts into peices the m8/canon files........... hahhaha........ try it ....... put it on light table........ im sure u will understand what i mean........ then make ilfochrome print from it, or at least make some archival high quality scan............. u will see it ) cuts it into the pieces (the older provia 400F too...... push it to 800 and 1600 - u will see - hahhahah.) ................... so ???????? what's new ?????????????????

 

 

 

 

ah...... no, no lies about the 4x5" and f22 optimal......... it is just that schneider improved their lenses so much in the meantime.......... but how many lies in the digital photography world...........????????????? oh how many lies ???????? how much ignorance.......... how much marketing agitation and not much beyound it ??????????????

yes.. it was always there....... the ignorance, the marketing agitation,........... but now, sometimes it seems that it is almost the core of photography (the digital photography, with wwwwwww degenratography)..................

[norm_snyder]

There is art, and then there is art criticism.

 

I use these lenses because I LIKE them, and these are the ones I own. I use them wide open, because sometimes I take pictures in fairly DARK places.

 

As for art criticism, I would prefer to remain insensitive and uninformed.

 

NS

[Alberti]

There is art, and then there is art criticism.

As for art criticism, I would prefer to remain insensitive and uninformed.

NS

 

Actually, art criticism often puts the ego of the writer up front, some trying to be witty, others learned. Some go the way of the artist, presenting as poetry.

 

Apart from art criticism there is art history (which a critic once wittingly rephrased in a title of het book: Art, Her Story). Photo history is the description of why some photo's are good, excellent or superb, actually without trying to induce someone to do it themselves. That would be art teaching.

 

What I like in the theme that Guy started this thread off with is actually the quest to fnd out what the charm is.

- How is the replication, how can we render something, how to create focal areas in a picture, how does background fading help in a picture to get the emotion.

- When does B/W help more than C?

- And pertinently, what great steps do we see in M8 photography?

- What are the signifiers of a great M8 shot?

- Is it the plane, or the plainness of the subject, is it the background or isolation, is it the awareness or lack of any sense of intrusion?

- How does the color rendition aid here?

 

One thing we should agree on is that it is not M8 against film. Nobody cries victory over the emulsion. It is one medium compared to another.

 

Albert, an art historian of old and one time a small but tall curator

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Alberti thanks hat was sort of my intent was why the charm in working more opened. One thing we glossed over a little is the isolation with these lenses and that 3d effect that happens in many images and the blend between sharpness and softness that you can create. Also the trust I have in these lenses to be more wide open that we may not have been able to do with other systems. I know i was very limited with Canon to pull off these isolation shots. With the DMR and M8 it has been a source of joy that you can shoot a 75 or 80 lux and be sharp but yet isolate the background so softly. I agree it's really not a film /digital issue but what the lenses can do that brings out the charm in your images. All of us here shoot Leica regardless of the camera type but more the reason is the Leica lenses what qualities these bring out in our images.

[norm_snyder]

Guy--

 

Perhaps the tag line after your signature says a great deal about why a number of us are using these lenses in the way we do....

 

Norm

[Guest guy_mancuso]

Yes that is true Norman, there is pride in what you do and frankly they may expect less than what we give them but i always want to give more .Just as we like the phone to ring again. Norman as you know i shot Canon , Nikon, Olympus and many others and they do the job and they do it well. Well after all these years i am beyond that mentally. You deliver the files collect the check and everyones happy. Well I'm tired of that to a certain degree. I want to wow myself first , so when a client say's these files are awesome, I already know that. I want the best i can deliver and it is more about me than them. i want the best lenses to work with that do things that others fail to do and have a special look and feel to the files. I don't want to be a robot either and just churn out run of the mill images. So if i am going to work my ass off than i want to reward myself too and not just with the money. i want some images from a client shoot that i would love to put in the portfolio. I chose leica glass for these reasons because they perform and with that i love the Kodak sensors and CCD , i always liked CCD sensors and maybe that does not matter over CMOS but i prefer it for some reason . But the DMR and M8 to me are different yes better at some things and maybe worse at others but different and that is were my head is at. Maybe I'm losing it in the head but that is how i feel. I don't want to be another clone Pro out there.

 

Thanks i needed to get that out