Macro solution for SL

[Jenningsmca]

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On 9/17/2018 at 10:46 AM, frame-it said:

have you tried the zeiss makro planar T 100mm ?
 

 

I am looking at that lens as it has 1:2 ratio macro where the canon 100mm f/2.8L is 1:1 ration.  The bokeh from the Zeiss in sample images looks superb. Has anyone has a chance to try this lens on the SL ?

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[Bernalor]

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/100mm_f/4_Macro-Elmar-R

This is spectacular. A true macro that arrives at RR 1:1 (even over, if you use extensions or the APO-Extender). Cheaper than the APO-Elmarit.
Great for macro but also for portraits and landscapes.
I have both the helical and bellows version. Bellows is bulkier but very comfortable to use.

[mmradman]

2 hours ago, Bernalor said:

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/index.php/100mm_f/4_Macro-Elmar-R

This is spectacular. A true macro that arrives at RR 1:1 (even over, if you use extensions or the APO-Extender). Cheaper than the APO-Elmarit.
Great for macro but also for portraits and landscapes.
I have both the helical and bellows version. Bellows is bulkier but very comfortable to use.

I have R 60mm, APO R 100mm+ELPRO and R 100mm Bellows set, all good fun and good lenses but we are talking legacy lenses here, old design 100 f4 Bellows lens do show its age optically. 

Real issue is what is the current Macro offering - only M/S lenses and 3rd party; Macro Elmar M 90mm, Macro 120mm S via adaptors, and than third parties via more adaptors.

 

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9 minutes ago, mmradman said:

I have R 60mm, APO R 100mm+ELPRO and R 100mm Bellows set, all good fun and good lenses but we are talking legacy lenses here, old design 

The APO shows its age? Find this hard to believe.

[mmradman]

22 minutes ago, Joachim_I said:

The APO shows its age? Find this hard to believe.

Read again  please, i said 100mm f4 Bellow show its age...

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I don't need to read again to remember that you referred to the APO as a legacy lens. Hardly a positive description, just another expression for "shows its age".

[Bernalor]

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vor 21 Minuten schrieb mmradman:

all good fun and good lenses but we are talking legacy lenses here, old design 100 f4 Bellows lens do show its age optically.

The quality is very high despite the age. In addition to the SL, I also use it on MTF (20 Mpx equivalent to an 80mpx on FF) and as yield has nothing to envy to many other macros.
With APO-Elmarit you have to buy the Elpro to maintain a good quality and get to 1:1. Very high quality, but even higher costs.

[dkCambridgeshire]

https://www.ffordes.com/p/COM-IV47BQ15490/lenses-pentax-manual/100mm-f4-smc-m-macro

http://extreme-macro.co.uk/pentax-100mm-f4-macro/

… super manual focus macro lens and easy to adapt to L mount 

dunk 

[mmradman]

4 minutes ago, dkCambridgeshire said:

https://www.ffordes.com/p/COM-IV47BQ15490/lenses-pentax-manual/100mm-f4-smc-m-macro

http://extreme-macro.co.uk/pentax-100mm-f4-macro/

… super manual focus macro lens and easy to adapt to L mount 

dunk 

And if you get Dental version you can magnify (i assume) larger than 1:2, both Pentax lenses for just over 100 quid.

https://www.ffordes.com/p/PX-IV47BQ38656/lenses-pentax-manual/100mm-f4-smc-dental-macro

Still, all of these are legacy so luck is important to get good working copy.

[dkCambridgeshire]

10 minutes ago, mmradman said:

And if you get Dental version you can magnify (i assume) larger than 1:2, both Pentax lenses for just over 100 quid.

https://www.ffordes.com/p/PX-IV47BQ38656/lenses-pentax-manual/100mm-f4-smc-dental-macro

Still, all of these are legacy so luck is important to get good working copy.

Trust the dealers description and ask about any concerns before purchase … Unlikely anything wrong with legacy lenses … And Johan J Ingles-Le Nobel ( http://extreme-macro.co.uk/pentax-100mm-f4-macro/) is one of the world's foremost photomacrography experts. 

dunk 

[mmradman]

2 hours ago, Joachim_I said:

I don't need to read again to remember that you referred to the APO as a legacy lens. Hardly a positive description, just another expression for "shows its age".

APO Elmarit R 100mm is legacy lens as it is not in production, at the time R line was discontinued some time ago now no new R lenses were produced.

I am not disputing quality of the said APO lens, used it earlier in a week even.  My point is and that is the essence of legacy in this context if you buy it and it develops problem you are not likely to be supported by the OEM. 

 

[mmradman]

6 minutes ago, dkCambridgeshire said:

Trust the dealers description and ask about any concerns before purchase … Unlikely anything wrong with legacy lenses … And Johan J Ingles-Le Nobel ( http://extreme-macro.co.uk/pentax-100mm-f4-macro/) is one of the world's foremost photomacrography experts. 

dunk 

I am not disputing this for a second.

If you read my other post i find it bizarre that all we can do is recommend either legacy or non-native optics where new full frame lenses should be available, i am aware of DX format macro lens with L mount. 

 

Edit; Simple fact remains, there is no dedicated full frame macro solution for SL.

Edited March 28, 2019 by mmradman
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[dkCambridgeshire]

18 minutes ago, mmradman said:

I am not disputing this for a second.

If you read my other post i find it bizarre that all we can do is recommend either legacy or non-native optics where new full frame lenses should be available, i am aware of DX format macro lens with L mount. 

Typical of Leica Camera AG … they take a long time to design new SL lenses. However, there's also a lot of old cobblers posted about macro lenses. Anyone who frequents / reads / participates on The Photomacrography Forum knows that many macro enthusiasts obtain superb macro results with non-marque and adapted legacy lenses . Too many photographers have been brainwashed into thinking that to produce good close-ups you must have the latest marque AF macro lens … whereas AF is not always necessary.  

dunk 

[dkCambridgeshire]

4 hours ago, mmradman said:

I have R 60mm, APO R 100mm+ELPRO and R 100mm Bellows set, all good fun and good lenses but we are talking legacy lenses here, old design 100 f4 Bellows lens do show its age optically. 

Real issue is what is the current Macro offering - only M/S lenses and 3rd party; Macro Elmar M 90mm, Macro 120mm S via adaptors, and than third parties via more adaptors.

 

Most of the thousands of illustrations in James Lager's 'Leica An Illustrated History'  trilogy were photographed with an ancient Leitz 100/4 Macro Elmar lens  … and unlikely that they could be significantly bettered by a modern AF macro lens … or any other optic. More a case of the old adage, 'It's the person behind the lens who makes the image' . 

dunk  

Edited March 28, 2019 by dkCambridgeshire

[mmradman]

42 minutes ago, dkCambridgeshire said:

Most of the thousands of illustrations in James Lager's 'Leica An Illustrated History'  trilogy were photographed with an ancient Leitz 100/4 Macro Elmar lens  … and unlikely that they could be significantly bettered by a modern AF macro lens … or any other optic. More a case of the old adage, 'It's the person behind the lens who makes the image' . 

dunk  

 

Who uses AF for macro? I don’t.

I am talking lenses grading and vintages also current models, not illustration for James Lager book or any other book for that matter. So these thousands of illustration you refer to where there they made on film or digital?  What is the year of the publication of the book you refer to, simply trying to put this into time context. There was a time when illustration were hand drawn/engraved, some are pretty spectacular to look at nowadays.

Macro Elmar R 100mm has been superseded by APO Elmarit R 100mm.  As much as Macro Elmar is good APO Elmarit is optically better instrument for one thing alone - APO correction.  Since than there were other manufactures who made/make MF and AF macro lenses in 100 and near 100mm FL.  

In reality Leica doesn’t make native full frame macro lens in L mount, in the meantime old farts entertain each other splitting hairs over legacy gear. For a second I can’t imagine you were making serious point with your post.

 

 

[dkCambridgeshire]

11 minutes ago, mmradman said:

 

Who uses AF for macro? I don’t.

I am talking lenses grading and vintages also current models, not illustration for James Lager book or any other book for that matter. So these thousands of illustration you refer to where there they made on film or digital?  What is the year of the publication of the book you refer to, simply trying to put this into time context. There was a time when illustration were hand drawn/engraved, some are pretty spectacular to look at nowadays.

Macro Elmar R 100mm has been superseded by APO Elmarit R 100mm.  As much as Macro Elmar is good APO Elmarit is optically better instrument for one thing alone - APO correction.  Since than there were odther manufactures who made/make MF and AF macro lenses in 100 and near 100mm FL.  

In reality Leica doesn’t make native full frame macro lens in L mount, in the meantime old farts entertain each other splitting hairs over legacy gear. For a second I can’t imagine you were making serious point with your post.

 

 

You might consider having a browse on the Photomacrography Forum to see what all the old fart photomacrographers are using and assess some their results before making such dogmatic statements. 

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Edited March 28, 2019 by dkCambridgeshire

[mmradman]

34 minutes ago, dkCambridgeshire said:

You might consider having a browse on the Photomacrography Forum to see what all the old fart photomacrographers are using and assess some their results before making such dogmatic statements. 

 

There is nothing dogmatic about stating that APO Elmarit is corrected and better optically than same FL Elmar. 

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[Alistairm]

I'm really interested in what the Sigma L mount lenses can do here. 

While I am usually "lean in lean out" and using flash to freeze the frame, as a bug chaser autofocus is useful for me. I also prefer longer focal lengths... the Nikon 200 and Sigma 180 remain my favourite all time macro lenses, with Tamron's offerings not far behind. At the moment the CL60 on the CL is the best Leica offering I have. 

Leica does a great deal of things well, but flash, macro, long lenses and sport/wildlife are all way behind Nikon and Canon... I'm hoping the new L mount offerings from Sigma and Panasonic change that. 

[dkCambridgeshire]

27 minutes ago, Alistairm said:

I'm really interested in what the Sigma L mount lenses can do here. 

While I am usually "lean in lean out" and using flash to freeze the frame, as a bug chaser autofocus is useful for me. I also prefer longer focal lengths... the Nikon 200 and Sigma 180 remain my favourite all time macro lenses, with Tamron's offerings not far behind. At the moment the CL60 on the CL is the best Leica offering I have. 

Leica does a great deal of things well, but flash, macro, long lenses and sport/wildlife are all way behind Nikon and Canon... I'm hoping the new L mount offerings from Sigma and Panasonic change that. 

Sigma is due to release its EF to L mount adapter in December https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1463159-REG/sigma_sigma_mc_21_mount_converter_lens.html

… but will it AF any better / quicker than the Novoflex EF to SL smart adapter?  There's a Sigma L mount 70mm macro listed on the road map but that's too short for 'in the field' AF macro of moving insects.  

dunk