Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 20, 2017 Share #41 Posted October 20, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Well, I do not want to generalize my personal preferences, but I can't imagine an application, which I'm less likely to use on the go on a small screen than post-processing 30-200 MB each pictures over a mobile data connection when I've got a nice large screen at home and an USB3-line to my HDD. Thinking about it, there is actually one less likely application, Adobe Framemaker, which I rate as un-usable on any screen smaller than 24". The typical target group for cloud usage and mobile post-processing appears to be the one, who take their pictures on their smartphones, which admittedly produce pretty good pictures these days and can be a serious tool in capable hands. Whether this group is willing to pay an additional cloud supplier on top of their icloud is to be seen, but I guess Adobe have done their math here. Seeing we are going a different path now, I wish them well. My suspicion is also, that there are few groups, which are less likely to be influenced by "what everyone else does" than our good old forum here. Taking pictures with a serious camera is an unusual choice these days. Taking pictures with a Leica is an unusual choice in this unusual group. But then, we all make the choices which work best for us. I'm enjoying mine and hope everyone else is enjoying his choice. Stefan Stefan I'm only using lightroom for filing and do all my photo editing in PScc. I wish apple hadent ditched aperture as that was great for filing images and apple friendly Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LocalHero1953 Posted October 20, 2017 Share #42 Posted October 20, 2017 (edited) Hi Paul, I’m slow to this party. I resisted the switch to CC, but it just became harder and harder to keep to stand alone software. I finally succumbed, loading CC onto my home and laptop computers - now I have to log in on each computer, which is frustrating (Adobe only allows two computers logged in at once for all Adobe products, and I use Acrobat on my work computer). I digress. With LightRoom, I store my catalogue on DropBox, which gives me safe local storage on my harddrive, mirrored cloudbased storage, a Time Machine backup, and when I import my images I automatically store a copy on a passport drive. With the latest upgrades, do I have to change this? I don’t mind being offered cloud storage, but every software suite tries to direct me to their cloud service - Apple with iCloud, Google Drive, Microsoft with its One Drive ... drives me nuts! I use DropBox, and I want to leave everything there. Does the latest upgrade force me to change? John I haven't tried the cloud-focused app, so I don't know what that requires you to do. Lightroom Classic works just like the previous Lightroom CC - no changes are needed. I don't see why you shouldn't be able to continue as before (....... for the moment). I run LR and PS on my PC desktop and on my Surface Pro. The images are all on my PC though; my tablet is just for collecting and editing images while travelling. When I get home, I use the 'import from another catalogue' function to transfer the travel snaps to my PC across the home network. So I don't need the functionality of cloud storage accessed from wherever I happen to be. I can't imagine doing so with a phone screen, and I find that even the Surface Pro's screen, which is better than most Macbook Airs and ipads, is not big enough for fine editing. Edited October 20, 2017 by LocalHero1953 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edw Posted October 20, 2017 Share #43 Posted October 20, 2017 My suspicion is also, that there are few groups, which are less likely to be influenced by "what everyone else does" than our good old forum here. Taking pictures with a serious camera is an unusual choice these days. Taking pictures with a Leica is an unusual choice in this unusual group. But then, we all make the choices which work best for us. I'm enjoying mine and hope everyone else is enjoying his choice. Until we recover from our conformist delusions, please pray for us sheeple who lack any capacity for independent thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted October 20, 2017 Share #44 Posted October 20, 2017 Thanks Paul - I’ll have a look. I lost a whole lot of photos a year or so ago when I tried to move my catalogue; it has made me very protective of my photo files. I will always store a copy of the original raw file on a seperate hard drive (they’re cheap, and it’s a simple setting in LR to download the duplicate automatically) Neil, Aperture has been discontinued for some time. The problem with Apple’s approach to photos (even in Aperture) is that they have an idea how they think you should handle photos, which is fine if you use an iPhone or similar. If you want to store your files yourself, and make the adjustments yourself, then the Apple product is pretty crap, in my view. Once you get your head around LR, it’s worth it in my view. You get to stor your images in your own directory (I just use the default folder structure, which is by date). The processing is done by LR, and it is stored in the LR catalogue, but the files remain stored in the folders you have specified. So, unlike Microsoft products of old and Apple, they don’t store the files inside some directory hidden in the software. I have found LR is flexible and easy to uise, once you get your head around it, and I like the way the files remain under my control, where I want them. Whether LR is cloud based or standalone software actually makes no difference (so far). Just a point of note, LR CC is still software stored on your hardd drive - it works on my laptop when I’m not online - the main thing seems to be that it updates automatically to the latest version. I don’t really mind that at all. Cheers John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Albertson Posted October 20, 2017 Share #45 Posted October 20, 2017 Stand alone computing and applications will soon become a thing of the past. Which is ironic, when you consider the whole point of "personal computing" was to liberate users from "dumb" terminals hooked up to an IBM mainframe (remember the Apple "1984" ad?). Way to stick it to The Man! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted October 20, 2017 Share #46 Posted October 20, 2017 Yes but managing terabytes of data in your home is a pain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemgb Posted October 20, 2017 Share #47 Posted October 20, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yes but managing terabytes of data in your home is a pain. Trying to work on a 100mb tiff in the cloud is even more of a pain. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted October 21, 2017 Share #48 Posted October 21, 2017 Nobody works on a file in the cloud, it’s loaded into your computer first and kept there, depending on how much disc you allocate to cached images. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 21, 2017 Share #49 Posted October 21, 2017 Thanks Paul - I’ll have a look. I lost a whole lot of photos a year or so ago when I tried to move my catalogue; it has made me very protective of my photo files. I will always store a copy of the original raw file on a seperate hard drive (they’re cheap, and it’s a simple setting in LR to download the duplicate automatically) Neil, Aperture has been discontinued for some time. The problem with Apple’s approach to photos (even in Aperture) is that they have an idea how they think you should handle photos, which is fine if you use an iPhone or similar. If you want to store your files yourself, and make the adjustments yourself, then the Apple product is pretty crap, in my view. Once you get your head around LR, it’s worth it in my view. You get to stor your images in your own directory (I just use the default folder structure, which is by date). The processing is done by LR, and it is stored in the LR catalogue, but the files remain stored in the folders you have specified. So, unlike Microsoft products of old and Apple, they don’t store the files inside some directory hidden in the software. I have found LR is flexible and easy to uise, once you get your head around it, and I like the way the files remain under my control, where I want them. Whether LR is cloud based or standalone software actually makes no difference (so far). Just a point of note, LR CC is still software stored on your hardd drive - it works on my laptop when I’m not online - the main thing seems to be that it updates automatically to the latest version. I don’t really mind that at all. Cheers John JohnFor years I’ve been using Lightroom to import my raw files and haphazardly try and file them but to be honest it’s been a complete cluster fucc as I use both a MBP for Travisg and a MP at home. I think this could be a good opertuniy for me to make a clean break and try and learn how to file my pictures in a uniform way so that what I can see on my Home computer is pretty much the same as my lap top and vise versa. Can you point me in the right direction to being able to do that, ideally video based? Cheers John Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavier Posted October 21, 2017 Share #50 Posted October 21, 2017 This article in DPreview phrases it better than I could. So I'll continue to use Lightroom 6 until stops to be sustainable and then goodbye Adobe. Someone else will fill the gap. The financial aspect is less decisive, although an upgrade in the old model would only buy nine months of subscription in the new model. Thinking about it, if the manufacturers of all the programmes on my computer would use the same renting rates, computers would be unsustainable for most private persons. Thanks for posting this link. I do not read DPreview much at all anymore, but this article is indeed explaining how I feel about this much better than I am able to. Every single word of that article (and the look back at the LR 1.0 release that it links to) is so true to me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 21, 2017 Share #51 Posted October 21, 2017 John For years I’ve been using Lightroom to import my raw files and haphazardly try and file them but to be honest it’s been a complete cluster fucc as I use both a MBP for Travisg and a MP at home. I think this could be a good opertuniy for me to make a clean break and try and learn how to file my pictures in a uniform way so that what I can see on my Home computer is pretty much the same as my lap top and vise versa. Can you point me in the right direction to being able to do that, ideally video based? Cheers John Neil I just watched a couple of youtubes on the new lightroom and while watching them I had a brain fart and thought to myself. if I only use lightroom for fileing ...............can I not do that in Bridge and just bypass lightroom all togethjer?? Or am I missing anything?? Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 21, 2017 Share #52 Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) I just watched a couple of youtubes on the new lightroom and while watching them I had a brain fart and thought to myself. if I only use lightroom for fileing ...............can I not do that in Bridge and just bypass lightroom all togethjer?? Or am I missing anything?? Neil Yes, certainly. Those who are happy with PS for all their editing have no need for LR - just use Bridge for filing as you say. I prefer Lightroom for image management and most editing because it is simpler and is photography-specific, but I jump into PS when I want better masking and layers. Edited October 21, 2017 by LocalHero1953 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djmay Posted October 21, 2017 Share #53 Posted October 21, 2017 Yes, certainly. Those who are happy with PS for all their editing have no need for LR - just use Bridge for filing as you say. I prefer Lightroom for image management and most editing because it is simpler and is photography-specific, but I jump into PS when I want better masking and layers. Can you provide examples of the situations that drive you to use masking and layers? I have been using lightroom and use it similar to the way I work in the darkroom. Jesse 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 21, 2017 Share #54 Posted October 21, 2017 Can you provide examples of the situations that drive you to use masking and layers? I have been using lightroom and use it similar to the way I work in the darkroom. Jesse For me I find it just so much easier to do/make local corrections in PS rather than in lightroom...............maybe because I don't use lightroom for editing has got something to do with it. As for PS I feel I am more competent and find it easy to work in Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LocalHero1953 Posted October 21, 2017 Share #55 Posted October 21, 2017 Can you provide examples of the situations that drive you to use masking and layers? I have been using lightroom and use it similar to the way I work in the darkroom. Jesse I also use LR as I would see things in a darkroom. OTOH PS allows for other processes. Just a few...... - Masking eg a face that I want to lighten without creating either a light halo or a crisp edge. Difficult to do in LR, but feathered edge masks make it easy. - Masking a complex area that I want to clone within, or to fill with something else. - Layers to add text - for greetings cards - Layers with different blending modes to create particular effects eg line drawing effects - Layers for Nik Effects conversions, either allowing partial effects using 'opacity' or allowing non-destructive use of Nik by treating the Nik layer as a smart layer. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
willeica Posted October 21, 2017 Share #56 Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) I have the subscription model which I needed for Lightroom compatibility with particular cameras. I still use the CS 5 version of Photoshop because the subscription model is painfully slow. The real concern is that now that Adobe has its hands in our pockets/wallet it will force all users to go to a Cloud model with consequent charges for 'cloud real estate' plus the additional data charges, mentioned already. The Cloud is fine if you have constant high speed and fixed price connectivity everywhere you go, but we all know that is still more of an aspiration rather than a reality. This is not just about Adobe. Apple, Google and Microsoft are at the same antics with a view to leveraging their market power. They know that while some people will switch, the vast majority won't do this. The other aspect is the dumbing down of applications to serve a market that now largely consists of users of mobile communications devices rather than so-called 'serious photographers' with expensive cameras. In a way you cannot blame the software companies for pursuing what is now the bulk of the market. This dumbing down is not just about photography. My iMAC is now considerably less easy to work with (by this I mean to make it do what I want to do) than the one I had 7 years ago. The market power of the IT majors is pretty well unchallenged because of the lack of serious alternatives. Regulators are either not interested in these developments or do not understand them. There is a serious shift of power from the consumer to the supplier going on and, unfortunately, it looks like it will continue into the future. William Edited October 21, 2017 by willeica 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share #57 Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) Yep, I'll try to stick with my reconfigured 2009 MacPro, LR Classic and an old iteration of Photoshop for as long as feasible. Oh, and ImagePrint. Jeff Edited October 21, 2017 by Jeff S Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 22, 2017 Share #58 Posted October 22, 2017 In for a penny in for a pound...............I just deleted all the pictures in my old Lightroom (saved the individual collections to my external hard drive first). I have now signed up for the 1 TB cloud and started inporting my collections into the new Lightroom CC. I will just use the lightroom CC for storing my finished files into neat little albums after they have been processed in Photoshop cc 2018 Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted October 22, 2017 Share #59 Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) In for a penny in for a pound...............I just deleted all the pictures in my old Lightroom (saved the individual collections to my external hard drive first). I have now signed up for the 1 TB cloud and started inporting my collections into the new Lightroom CC. I will just use the lightroom CC for storing my finished files into neat little albums after they have been processed in Photoshop cc 2018 Neil Confused, Since starting to import my images....... my hard drive on my MBP has dwindled away to nothing. I am assuming that the files go to my hard drive first and then sent to the cload...............Is that correct?? Any if so how long do they stay stay on my hD Neil Edited October 22, 2017 by NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted October 22, 2017 Share #60 Posted October 22, 2017 Have a look here, Neil https://forums.adobe.com/thread/2399095 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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