Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 6, 2017 Share #21 Posted September 6, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Average shadow/ highlight readings wouldn't provide the control I preferred. With all parameters tested and controlled in advance (meter calibration, film speed, development time, proper proof, etc), I typically metered a scene by putting the highlights where I wanted to retain detail on Zone 8 (exceptions for low contrast scenes or where longer development warranted). Average metering wouldn't reliably get me there. Locking down variables in advance is key to predictability and reliability. After that, zone readings can be used as desired, since one knows how those zones will translate in print for any given camera/lens/film/paper combination. Jeff Exactly...............my centiments too Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 6, 2017 Share #22 Posted September 6, 2017 Fair enough, but does not tie in with 'then use a spot meter collecting roughly 6 meter readings 3 shadow and 3 highlights' ;-) john I know mate. What I mean is I know how the zone system works, I also know how my meter works (Sekonix L758DR) and I have found that with my method of averaging ~6 readings I get the best results..............it might not be the best results for David or Jeff but its good enough for me. I also feel that I have got enough experience to kniow what to meter when scanning the scean. Ive also used my Leica Q when shooting my Hasselblad 503 to get a meter reading and that was okay but all in all I prefer to use my meter especially with my 8x10. If anyone wants to know my step buy step process send me a PM and I will be happy to share it with you. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 6, 2017 Share #23 Posted September 6, 2017 Exactly...............my centiments too Neil Nonsense... you dissed me when I cited Picker's workflow for conducting meter calibration, film speed tests, development time tests, proper proofing and such. And your averaging of shadow:highlight readings is contrary to that philosophy and process. You missed my entire point. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 6, 2017 Share #24 Posted September 6, 2017 Nonsense... you dissed me when I cited Picker's workflow for conducting meter calibration, film speed tests, development time tests, proper proofing and such. And your averaging of shadow:highlight readings is contrary to that philosophy and process. You missed my entire point. Jeff Exactly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 6, 2017 Share #25 Posted September 6, 2017 In all my years of working in the oilfield with very intelligent people and not so intelligent people, the one thing that I learnt is that there is more than one way to skin a cat. There is no write or wrong way to do everything but more of a "whatever works for you" kind of thing..................can we leave it at that and let David decide what method he decides to meter for his film slides. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 6, 2017 Share #26 Posted September 6, 2017 But in your flower shot, did you know, in advance, exactly how your important areas would render in print... as well as all the processing parameters (water temp, development time, paper type/grade, etc.... without trial and error and minimal paper waste? And could you make a dozen identical prints, even over an extended period of time, with minimal effort? And can you consistently do that with many varied scenes? If so, great. If not, that's what all the pre-work is for. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 7, 2017 Share #27 Posted September 7, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) But in your flower shot, did you know, in advance, exactly how your important areas would render in print... as well as all the processing parameters (water temp, development time, paper type/grade, etc.... without trial and error and minimal paper waste? And could you make a dozen identical prints, even over an extended period of time, with minimal effort? And can you consistently do that with many varied scenes? If so, great. If not, that's what all the pre-work is for. Jeff Hell yes I can..........I know exactly what temperature and what ratio of chefs to use as it says it on the box and I like to shoot and develop to box speed as I like to KISS. When I put my heart to do something Jeff I normally succeed, not because I am smart but because I am a determined b@stard to beat the odds and to put a smile on YOUR face when you see me produce a nice piece of work................Like this maybe :) Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/276534-using-s-as-a-preview-for-large-format/?do=findComment&comment=3353742'>More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted September 7, 2017 Share #28 Posted September 7, 2017 Then why do you need to average 6 meter readings? Why not just meter for the zone you want where you want and be done? Determined.... no doubt. Process oriented and disciplined, with an understanding of the 'why'... hardly. But I do agree that the only thing that matters is what makes you happy. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted September 7, 2017 Share #29 Posted September 7, 2017 David. I have know idea what you are talking about.............check the app out at the app store and you will see whare I am coming from Neil I think you missed the joke... You wrote 'Suppository" app Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted September 7, 2017 Share #30 Posted September 7, 2017 I think you missed the joke... You wrote 'Suppository" app That's not normail for me to spell something rong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daedalus2000 Posted September 7, 2017 Share #31 Posted September 7, 2017 That's not normail for me to spell something rong? Still, it was a good joke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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