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And here the flowers one more time but this time I adj. WB in the M10 shot just a bit to try to match the M9 one which wasn't touched. Full resolution here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-vLdCpt/

 

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And here one with the 28mm Summilux. Oversaturation is something else. Full resolution here: https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-vLdCpt/

 

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Its all very subjective and there is no right or wrong when viewing these matched pairs of M9 and M10 images.  Nicely done and very much appreciate the OP's effort. Like favorite ice cream flavors, we all have our preferences and biases.  for me I much prefer most of the M9 images.

 

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Thanks Chaemono! I think both cameras deliver nice images here and I wouldn't be able to determine my preference if it's about color quality alone. I do think though, owning both camrea's, that workflow is much faster with the M10 files: much more captures that don't need any PP than with M9. I've got two remarks:

- in artificial light you would have seen much bigger differences between the camera's

- the variations that are caused by different ICC-profiles are much bigger than the variations between the cameras (talking about daylight). You're talking about correcting magenta for instance; I don't see magenta at all in CaptureOne using DNG Neutral, this seems to me a specific LR thing of handling M10's

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Interesting perspective. After having worked with RAW files extensively from both the M9 and M10, if considering those taken in outdoor natural lighting, I found the M9 needed far less post processing for my tastes. Under artifical lighting the reverse was generally true.

 

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Like otto.f, I use C1 and find the colours fine to my taste, within the limits of matching the light source to the selected menu item for light source. Sometimes I have set the wrong light source, but still have no trouble to correct it quickly.

 

Otto.f you may wish to to update to the current C1 as it now includes a profile for the M10.

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Opened in LR and not touched. AWB and Adobe profile used. Full resolution here: https://www.smugmug....llery/n-vLdCpt/

 

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Thanks for the comparison , the M10 starts more natural to my eyes  and on a side note the noctilux looks stunning stopped down !!

 

Just a question ... how did you get the same exposure ? , i see you used the same iso value and you have matching shutter speed . 

 

With the m240 the 200iso setting is like 160 on the M9 and so on ....  is the M10 different , more close to the M9 for the real measured iso ?? ... or you did compensate with aperture ??

 

 

Regards , Gianluca

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updated LR now and i have the Adobe profile

 

I only have the option of an M10 profile in LR, and even though it's slightly different light - it is more saturated than the SL RAW (not adjustments made)

 

36418496794_128b6c6bb8_b.jpgM10 RAW export example by dancook1982, on Flickr

 

36858248050_a4d62b83f3_b.jpgSL RAW export example by dancook1982, on Flickr

 

 

But I do like the default RAW output, not taking many interesting photos yet so here's one of my mum 

 

36886682360_1d6cdd242e_b.jpgFamily by dancook1982, on Flickr

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Thanks for the comparison , the M10 starts more natural to my eyes  and on a side note the noctilux looks stunning stopped down !!

 

Just a question ... how did you get the same exposure ? , i see you used the same iso value and you have matching shutter speed . 

 

With the m240 the 200iso setting is like 160 on the M9 and so on ....  is the M10 different , more close to the M9 for the real measured iso ?? ... or you did compensate with aperture ??

 

 

Regards , Gianluca

 

Gianluca, no, all the pairs above are at the exact same settings including aperture and not even adjusted for exposure in LR except the first three as I mentioned. Depending on the conditions, the exposure will come out most of the time looking almost exactly the same with both cameras at ISO 200, at least. I can't explain it as well as others here but some really smart people on this forum (Andy at al.) had figured out that base ISO for the M10 is somewhere between 100-200 (around 135 probably). Ever since, I like using 200 on the M10 when outside. I'm not sure about the M9 but base ISO there should be pretty much 160.

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Otto.f you may wish to to update to the current C1 as it now includes a profile for the M10.

 

Thanks, I am downloading now: NOT!

I'm in a loop, they don't seem to recognize me, can't find the update, just 'trial', 'buy' and 'subscribe'

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Thanks, I am downloading now: NOT!

I'm in a loop, they don't seem to recognize me, can't find the update, just 'trial', 'buy' and 'subscribe'

I just downloaded the trial and it installed over my licensed copy, no trouble.

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Like otto.f, I use C1 and find the colours fine to my taste, within the limits of matching the light source to the selected menu item for light source. Sometimes I have set the wrong light source, but still have no trouble to correct it quickly.

 

Otto.f you may wish to to update to the current C1 as it now includes a profile for the M10.

 

Hi erl,

I downloaded the new version. But it seems that the DNG Neutral profile is now very flat and undersaturated, whereas this was not the case before 10.2. The new M10 profile is ok though, at first sight; it seems in saturation to stand between M240 Generic and Generic2, where Generic2 is the most saturated. What are your experiences?

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Hi erl,

I downloaded the new version. But it seems that the DNG Neutral profile is now very flat and undersaturated, whereas this was not the case before 10.2. The new M10 profile is ok though, at first sight; it seems in saturation to stand between M240 Generic and Generic2, where Generic2 is the most saturated. What are your experiences?

I have always thought the DNG Neutral profile a bit flat, but that did not bother me as I always adjust all file to my taste anyway. The M10 profile is certainly more saturated, which is closer to many situations that I shoot, but I still manually readjust. I tend to correct one 'typical' file, copy the changes and paste 'globally' over  most of the shoot. Because lighting changes so much for me, and my exposure, I always end up going over selected shots individually.

 

I went from M9 direct to M10, so have no experience with the M240 files. I do prefer the M10 files to the M9, Fortunately. :D

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