pemayeux Posted June 20, 2007 Share #1 Posted June 20, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Has anyone used the Rollei retro 25 panchromatic film? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rob_x2004 Posted June 20, 2007 Share #2 Posted June 20, 2007 No...let us know how you find it. Sice Rollei owns the Agfa plant I presume it is APX25? All teh APX I buy now is 2010, whats the date on the stuff you have? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemayeux Posted June 20, 2007 Author Share #3 Posted June 20, 2007 It is shown here in the UK Retro Photographic Ltd - Black & White Specialist Photographic Products or here in the US Freestyle Photographic Supplies. I haven't tried it yet, I'm also curious as to how it scans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted June 20, 2007 Share #4 Posted June 20, 2007 hi paul.. never used the apx25 (or under pan25). but i can tell you that those category slow films can be scanned with alot of comfort (like pan-f or adox or acros or ortho25) ... the reason is that the slow film is very smooth in its texture (grains) and also the base is very clean and in many cases almost complitly transparent. so the scanning of those slow negative films is as comfortable as scanning of slide films like EPP or astia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted June 20, 2007 Share #5 Posted June 20, 2007 Given in summer I am often at 1/1000 f/8 on 100iso during the day it might be a worthwhile cause. I got no more at f/16 and I am often on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemayeux Posted June 20, 2007 Author Share #6 Posted June 20, 2007 Thanks Vic - I was hoping for that. Any recommendation on where to start with a developer? Yeah Rob - that's where I'm coming from. I'd like to be able to open up more but this time of year in Texas the light is brutal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vic vic Posted June 20, 2007 Share #7 Posted June 20, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) haha .. im also like you guys.. from brutal sunny days ) no man.. i dont know the times of this film, but see the manufacturer recomendations... you should be about the normal recomendation as your intention is to scan and then to postprocess. you dont need to play with negative preperation to the darkroom print as i understand. your negative should look nicely transparent on light table, but not flat. it is ok if it looks slightly more transparent than faster speed films. my personal fave developers are id11 ilford (you can take kodak d76 or kodak xtol too) and afga rodinal. a good slow film that is extrimly flexible in many light conditions is adox50 (maybe adox25 too, but i dont know it). if brutal sun, then do this: give less agitation of the tank, and you can make a little increase in time (just a bit - up to 10% on slow aggitation - gentel hand rotation istead of inversion, but still make one inversion in the middel of developing time). and one more little trick... use selenium. ya, 1+3 selenium delution into the ilford gallery washer solution or alternativly - tetenal lavaquick... the good seleniums are tetenal/fotospeed.. actually all of them are good for it. 2 to 10 minutes in this thing and your negative will get punch in all local contrast.. it get sparkle without getting harsh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted June 20, 2007 Share #8 Posted June 20, 2007 Guten Tag, der hier erwähnte ROLLEI PAN 25 ist exklusiv von Filmotec, Wolfen für ROLLEI hergestellt. Basierend auf der bewährten Orwo NP15-Technologie. Aber, wie wohl allgemein bekannt ist, sind praktisch alle Hersteller der seinerzeit verwendeten Orwo Rohstoffe nicht mehr existent. Daher bestand die Aufgabe, mit neuen Rohstoffen und dem Wissen um die "alte traditionelle" Emulsion, einen zeitgemässen Film, hoher Auflösung, feinstem Korn, gegossen auf modernem Polyester, herzustellen. Diese Vorarbeiten wurden in 2003/2004 durchgeführt. In 2005 erfolgte die erste Großproduktion. Mit Erfolg, jedoch etwas zu hoher Empfindlichkeit, mit dem zweiten Guss jedoch in einer Qualität, wie ursprünglich geplant. Daher, ab der zweiten Jahrshälfte 2005 steht der Rollei PAN 25 auf 100 Mikron gegossen als KB und RF zur Verfügung, die Produktion von PF wurde nie in Erwägung gezogen, weil dieses Marktsegment mit dem Rollei ORTHO 25 sehr gut abgedeckt wurde. Da immer mal wieder Hinweise auf den Vorgänger MACO UP 25plus kommen, erlaube ich mir dazu folgenden Hinweis: Seit 1996 produzierte die "alte" Fotokemika in Samobor/Kroatien für Maco Photo Products exklusiv, basierend auf dem hervorragenden EFKE KB/R25 (früher KB/R14), den Maco UP25plus. Dieser Film wurde ZUSÄTZLICH zur Produktion der Originalware hergestellt, also in extra dafür vorgesehenen Produktionen, selektiert, abweichend vom "Original" von Beginn an z.B. beim R-Film auf Polyester gegossen usw. Dieser Film war rechtzeitig da, und in grossen Mengen verfügbar, als die Agfa die Produktions-Einstellung des APX 25 verkündete. Nachdem bei der Fotokemika die Eigentümer wechselten, entschloss sich Maco Photo Products die Zusammenarbeit mit diesem Unternehmen auf ein Mindestmass zu reduzieren und einer Produktion bei Filmotec in Wolfen den Vorzug zu geben. Heute werden beide Film in Konkurrenz verkauft, die Qualitätsparameter weichen z.T. erheblich voneinander ab. Der Fotograf hat somit die Chance, sich nach seiner Wahl zu bedienen. Mit freundlichem Gruss Sebastian Junghans Marketing Manager MACO PHOTO PRODUCTS Hans O. Mahn & Co KG Brookstieg 4 22145 Hamburg-Stapelfeld Telefon: +49 (0) 40 23 70 08-73 Telefax: +49 (0) 40 23 70 08-488 E-Mail: s.junghans@mahn.net First class information from the marketing manager from Rollei/Maco. The lastest Rollei developing info you can also find here: http://www.fotohuisrovo.nl/documentatie/Development_Rollei%20films.pdf and the film is scanning fine due to the clear polyester layer with non-curling layer. Here is my example on Rollei PAN 25. Leica M7/Summicron 2,0/50mm. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/27053-rollei-retro-film/?do=findComment&comment=286010'>More sharing options...
Guest Metroman Posted June 20, 2007 Share #9 Posted June 20, 2007 Robert you beat me to it. I have some in the fridge waiting for my MP to come back from the Leica Hospital. Try in Rodinal: 1+ 25 = 6mins 1+ 50 = 11mins (but try 14.25 mins) An interesting thread over on Flickr. Berin Loritsch has been slapping it through various soups with differing results. Flickr Rollei Pan 25 Another user is jsuominen with some nice results. Unfortunately APUG is down today for some reason but there is chat over there as well on Pan 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemayeux Posted June 20, 2007 Author Share #10 Posted June 20, 2007 Thanks for the tips Vic - it is helpful since you too experience the harsh light. Thanks too Robert. Nice lush tones - looks like I really need to try this film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemayeux Posted June 20, 2007 Author Share #11 Posted June 20, 2007 Thanks for the links Andy - I've got to get my hands on some now. I'll try it in the Xtol and Rodinal. I prefer them over the D-76 and HC110. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Metroman Posted June 20, 2007 Share #12 Posted June 20, 2007 No...let us know how you find it.Sice Rollei owns the Agfa plant I presume it is APX25? All teh APX I buy now is 2010, whats the date on the stuff you have? Rob: My understanding is that the two new Rollei films - Rollei Pan25 and Rollei R3 - are new emulsions specially made for Rollei (Maco) - out of the Filmotec plant in Wolfen (was the OrWO plant). However, Robert (fotohuis) will be the man to know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fotohuis Posted June 20, 2007 Share #13 Posted June 20, 2007 Rollei PAN 25 and R3 are Filmotec products. Ortho 25 could be also the case. All specially made by Filmotec for Rollei/Maco. Rollei CN400 pro (C41) scanfilm and the Rollei IR 820/400 films are comming from Gevaert, the former Agfa R&D lab. All films on clear PET layer with non-curling. Rollei Retro 100/400 films are the135 micron 35mm APX 100/400 materials from Agfa Photo, latest production runs from 2005. The 120 roll films are confectioned at the Efke plant. These films are made on tri-acetate layer. Here is the complete story of the Rollei Retro (=APX) films: Guten Tag, mein Name ist Sebastian Junghans, ich bin im Marketing bei Rollei/Maco tätig und möchte gerne versuchen, auf Ihre Fragen zu antworten. 1. Stimmt es eigentlich.... Ja, es stimmt, die unter der Marke ROLLEI RETRO konfektionierten Filme, KB wie RF stammen aus der letzten Grossproduktion der Agfa im Jahr 2005. 2. Violett. Bei dem, was Ihnen aufgefallen ist, handelt es sich um nicht gänzlich aufgelösten Sensibilisierungsfarbstoff. Wenn ein frisches, gutes Fixierbad verwendet wurde und ausreichend gewässert, dann kann trotzdem eine rötliche Einfärbung, die durchaus auch bei Filmen anderer Hersteller nicht unbekannt ist, vorliegen. Dies ist fotochemisch kein Nachteil. Diese Einfärbung verschwindet unter Einfluss von Tageslicht, bzw. UV-Licht rückstandsfrei. 3. Rollen / Curlingverhalten Die unter Rollei Retro angebotenen Filme wurden ursprünglich nicht für den Einsatz als Rollfilm vorgesehen, sondern als KB-Filme. Daher ist der grau gefärbte Triacetatfilmträger etwas dicker als sonst von Agfa APX-Rollfilmen gewohnt. Standard war: 100 Mikron bei RF, 135 Mikron bei KB. Das mag einen Einfluss auch auf das Planlage-Verhalten der Filme haben. 4. Planlage Auf das Planlage-Verhalten haben jedoch auch Parameter, wie die Wässerung und die Trocknung einen wichtigen Einfluss. Mit der Verwendung von spezielllen Filmentwicklern hat das erfahrungsgemäss nichts zu tun. 5. Entscheidung zur Produktion von APX-Rollfilmen In der Abwägung keine APX Rollfilme mehr anbieten zu können oder eine vielleicht nicht ganz optimale Planlage zu akzeptieren, hatte sich Rollei/Maco dazu entschlossen, eine sehr erhebliche Menge APX Filme mit 135 Mikron durch die Fotokemika in Zagreb abpacken zu lassen. 6. Entwicklungszeiten: Die "alten" APX-Emulsionen verlangten kürzere Entwicklungszeiten als die "NEW"-Version die noch im Jahr 2005 durch die Agfa eingeführt wurde. Die Belichtungstoleranzen von "NEW" sind erheblich weiter als bei der älteren Version. Dem hat bisher die A&Q mit der neuen Rodinal-Zeitentabelle entsprochen. Hier sind deutliche Differenzen zu erkennen. Bei der Version "NEW" handelt es sich zweifelsfrei um die erheblich verbesserte Version. Die Zeiten für die "NEW"-Version haben bisher noch keinen Eingang in die Entwicklungszeit-Tabellen der Tetenal gefunden. Mit freundlichem Gruss / With kind regards Sebastian Junghans Marketing Manager MACO PHOTO PRODUCTS Hans O. Mahn & Co KG Brookstieg 4 22145 Hamburg-Stapelfeld Telefon: +49 (0) 40 23 70 08-73 Telefax: +49 (0) 40 23 70 08-488 E-Mail: junghans@mahn.net All films are real quality products by known and respectable small production plants in Germany and Belgium. All 35mm film confectioning is done in Bergheim, Germany. Also the wooden packaging is comming from Bavaria. This is the way Rollei/Maco is filling in the niche market for special films. Some Maco films with the same type of emulsion but on a cheap layer are also sold for other industrial purposes and that is the main reason they can keep the market for amateurs and fine art photographers alive. Best regards, Robert PS. Rollei PAN 25 is doing fine in a Leica M due to the high resolution of the film and the Leica lenses and the longer shutter time which is possible with a Leica M without blurr. You can do a 40x50cm (35mm) enlargement on this film without any noticeble grain. PAN 25 is also available on 120 roll film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted June 21, 2007 Share #14 Posted June 21, 2007 Robert you beat me to it. I have some in the fridge waiting for my MP to come back from the Leica Hospital. Now had you left the cap off the Rodinal and not the MP:rolleyes:. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Metroman Posted June 21, 2007 Share #15 Posted June 21, 2007 Now had you left the cap off the Rodinal and not the MP:rolleyes:. If only.................................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_x2004 Posted June 21, 2007 Share #16 Posted June 21, 2007 ehhh:D :D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKSC Posted June 22, 2007 Share #17 Posted June 22, 2007 I've used it a fair bit, and have it processed at dr5. It scans incredibly well. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/27053-rollei-retro-film/?do=findComment&comment=287623'>More sharing options...
pemayeux Posted June 23, 2007 Author Share #18 Posted June 23, 2007 Nice Lloyd. I'll do my own processing as there is noone left in this area that I would trust. I'm partial to Rodinal or Microdol X - so those two will be my starting points. I also like the selenium that Vic mentioned. Haven't done in five years or so, hopefully my local supplier still stocks it. Last time I was there, the film supply shelf had been moved from prominent spot to a back of the store location. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimothy Posted July 2, 2007 Share #19 Posted July 2, 2007 I've used the Rollei 25 in medium format and it is simply gorgeous stuff. Print it big on Ilford Fibre Based paper! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jotam Posted December 30, 2007 Share #20 Posted December 30, 2007 I intend to process Rolei Retro 400 in Rodinal. Could someone provide me the adequte data: dilution and processing times? Best regards, José Morais Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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