Herr Barnack Posted July 6, 2016 Share #1 Posted July 6, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) This is something I have wondered about for a while; it seems like an obvious thing for Leica to do. I would think a Monochrom version of the S would create a buying frenzy among black and white Leica disciples and medium format digital adherents. Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jip Posted July 6, 2016 Share #2 Posted July 6, 2016 No, because it will cost them more in development and production (sensor, and software etc) than it will gain them. They are already practicly giving S-E's away for free... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 6, 2016 Share #3 Posted July 6, 2016 The bigger question is what Leica will do with the S system in general (specs and price point), particularly given the subsequent release of products like the Pentax 645Z, the Hasselblad X1D, etc....not to mention Leica's current focus on the SL. There's already been a dramatic shift in price point (and bundled vs separately purchased warranty). It will be interesting to see the next move. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giulio Zanni Posted July 6, 2016 Share #4 Posted July 6, 2016 Oh that would excite me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted July 6, 2016 Share #5 Posted July 6, 2016 I am with jip and Jeff on this. Five years ago I purchased a certified M9 for basically the same price as the certified, virtually new, S 006 I acquired last November from Leica Miami. And the demo (new) 70mm shipped to me directly from Leica NJ cost less than the 50mm Summilux I got for the M. I have no long history with Leica gear, but I understand that it was famous either holding its value or even increasing in price. If true, that claim can no longer be made, especially with MF gear. As Jeff points out, the price point is shifting, and moving dramatically south. One with Leica stars in his eyes might rationalize spending 2.5x more than a Pentax for an S. Especially if shooting with Leica lenses is a must. But the same can not be said when comparing the S with the new Blad which, on paper, and in pictures, looks pretty damn attractive. Consequently, with internal pressures from the secondary market coupled with decidedly lower priced alternatives that may be more technically capable than the S, Leica faces considerable challenge from within and without. Go too low and it could cannibalize sales from the SL. Too high, and the new Blad comes into clearer focus. As for me, someone who is quite content buying certified leica gear, I will delight in the use of my S 006 (with two wonderful Contax lenses) until the next generation of S cameras arrives. And then I will snap up a certified 007 from someone who just has to have the latest and greatest. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgrayson3 Posted July 7, 2016 Share #6 Posted July 7, 2016 The lenses for the X1D are either small, but slow, or (very) large legacy glass that still isn't as fast as S glass. The X1D may be wonderful, I may get one, but if you often use the S lenses wide open, there is still nothing MF that touches it. My 2 cents, Matt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
darylgo Posted July 7, 2016 Share #7 Posted July 7, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Never say never, the monochrome was not expected to sell in large numbers and it took Leica several years to catch up to demand. My bet is they won't, an SL monochrome perhaps. But that's the great thing about Leica, they do the unexpected. Can't wait to see what they will do at photokina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted July 7, 2016 Share #8 Posted July 7, 2016 The S in itself doesn't sell in large numbers thats why they have lowered the price so much on the S-E (it can now be bought for less than an M) They need a whole bigger user base before they start stunting with the S. Also the M comes from an analog system with users that want to 'recreate their film history' no such users with the S. Also the S has such good files black and white conversions are more than plenty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted July 7, 2016 Share #9 Posted July 7, 2016 The S in itself doesn't sell in large numbers thats why they have lowered the price so much on the S-E (it can now be bought for less than an M) Jip, I am curious where you see the S-E at such a price. I just checked Leica Miami which lists it at $16900 and out of stock. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deliberate1 Posted July 7, 2016 Share #10 Posted July 7, 2016 Correction: $12,995 with the 70mm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertknappmd Posted July 7, 2016 Share #11 Posted July 7, 2016 Never say never but.... What would the market be? It is a costly endeavor and the risk outweighs the reward in my opinion... but.. never say never with this company! Albert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted July 8, 2016 Author Share #12 Posted July 8, 2016 The S in itself doesn't sell in large numbers thats why they have lowered the price so much on the S-E (it can now be bought for less than an M) They need a whole bigger user base before they start stunting with the S. Also the M comes from an analog system with users that want to 'recreate their film history' no such users with the S. Also the S has such good files black and white conversions are more than plenty. At the prices the S cameras and lenses sell for, that's not going to happen any time soon, particularly with the world economic situation running on tires that are half flat. It's a shame too, because things would get to be interesting with a Monochrom S on the market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted July 21, 2016 Share #13 Posted July 21, 2016 The Leica S monochrome files are amazing as is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted July 21, 2016 Share #14 Posted July 21, 2016 Jip, I am curious where you see the S-E at such a price. I just checked Leica Miami which lists it at $16900 and out of stock. David Call Leica in Germany, they have stacks of the S-E they want to sell... or PM me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted July 21, 2016 Share #15 Posted July 21, 2016 Or call Leica Miami....there are many ways to put together a deal, not obvious from ad copy. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorenzoLandini Posted July 21, 2016 Share #16 Posted July 21, 2016 Out of curiosity, why would you be so interested in grabbing a new SE (1-year warranty) when there were and I believe there still are deals of almost new S006 fully refurbished by Leica Germany and backed by the remaining of the original warranty that is likely longer than 1-year? I bought one, mint and fully refurbished by Leica Germany and with full 3-year warranty for about USD6k almost a year ago, now it could be even lower. Why paying more for an SE? Perhaps I am wrong here, though I think the S is targeting a different market than the M and the dynamics around used/pre-owned prices are different. In my opinion the S has a greater devaluation because it meant to be a professional camera and competes with professional MF where professionals depreciate and upgrade regularly their equipment to be on top of their game from a performance and technology perspective. I think this dynamic, highly driven by tax and accounting matters, puts a lot of pressure on prices, more than with the Leica M. To certain degree I would expect the depreciation on an S camera to be very similar to high end Nikon, Canon or Hasselblad, why should it be any different? Doesn't a 3-4-year old Hasselblad go for about 30% of its original sticker price? My two cents... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jip Posted July 21, 2016 Share #17 Posted July 21, 2016 Out of curiosity, why would you be so interested in grabbing a new SE (1-year warranty) when there were and I believe there still are deals of almost new S006 fully refurbished by Leica Germany and backed by the remaining of the original warranty that is likely longer than 1-year? I bought one, mint and fully refurbished by Leica Germany and with full 3-year warranty for about USD6k almost a year ago, now it could be even lower. Why paying more for an SE? In the Netherlands you get 2 years warranty on any product you buy within this country, so I don't need companies to offer me warranty since the law forces them anyway. Also I've never had any trouble with Leica with repairs after warranty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorenzoLandini Posted July 21, 2016 Share #18 Posted July 21, 2016 In the Netherlands you get 2 years warranty on any product you buy within this country, so I don't need companies to offer me warranty since the law forces them anyway. Also I've never had any trouble with Leica with repairs after warranty. Sure, but we all don't live in The Netherlands. I understand David lives in the US and he may have to deal with the 1-year vs. 3-year warranty in the US. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorenzoLandini Posted July 21, 2016 Share #19 Posted July 21, 2016 Sure, but we all don't live in The Netherlands. I understand David lives in the US and he may have to deal with the 1-year vs. 3-year warranty in the US. Cheers I meant not everyone lives in the Netherlands (I hope many readers live in that awesome country .... ). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
faranstudio Posted July 22, 2016 Share #20 Posted July 22, 2016 S007 shots converted in to black and white is good and very close to Mono M246 files + bigger sensor and higher megapixel. Not sure if economically makes scene for Leica but they always surprise their users! Shot with S007 / 30-90 S lens (wonderful lens) / post process with Adobe LR Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/262311-yes-or-no-will-leica-ever-release-a-monochrom-s-camera/?do=findComment&comment=3082899'>More sharing options...
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