profus Posted May 11, 2016 Share #1 Posted May 11, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Oh...I think I need help to understand this. Or this is a bug. Or instruction manual is wrong... I just got my 24-90 and now I play with different options, doing tests of AF etc. Would prefer to use joystick to focus ( also for AFc ) and disable AF function from the shutter release button. I seem only to get it somehow working in MF mode. But... What gives me issues is this - as described in English instruction book on page 223: Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! So these settings should give me an option to select the function I wish to be be performed with the joystick and NOT with the shutter release That's what Leica says. But when ( in AF mode ) - I set locking function to AF-L + AE-L as they describe - yes I got both functions assigned to the joystick ( though not AFc? ), but I can still do the same using the shutter release button ( and Leica says with that setting enabled shutter release button should do hmm...nothing ( none ) ) Anyone can explain this? Have you tested it? Any difference between fw 1.2 and fw 2.0? Thank you very much. I am really trying to understand Leica's autofocus and what's the best way to use this lens ( which seems to be great btw! ), but that's a bit difficult if the combo doesn't perform as described in the manual... Thank you in advance! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! So these settings should give me an option to select the function I wish to be be performed with the joystick and NOT with the shutter release That's what Leica says. But when ( in AF mode ) - I set locking function to AF-L + AE-L as they describe - yes I got both functions assigned to the joystick ( though not AFc? ), but I can still do the same using the shutter release button ( and Leica says with that setting enabled shutter release button should do hmm...nothing ( none ) ) Anyone can explain this? Have you tested it? Any difference between fw 1.2 and fw 2.0? Thank you very much. I am really trying to understand Leica's autofocus and what's the best way to use this lens ( which seems to be great btw! ), but that's a bit difficult if the combo doesn't perform as described in the manual... Thank you in advance! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/260354-joystick-vs-shutter-release-button/?do=findComment&comment=3042798'>More sharing options...
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LocalHero1953 Posted May 11, 2016 Share #2 Posted May 11, 2016 Which f/w are you using? (My SL is unavailable to check at the moment) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profus Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted May 11, 2016 Still on fw 1.2. But the instruction manual is made for that version, isn't it? And it should work as described - unless we are talking about a bug in ver. 1.2? Anyone with ver 2.0 - could you pls. test this? PS. I will be soon upgrading to ver. 2.0, just wanted to get familiar with the AF lens + camera combo to be able to compare different versions of fw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted May 11, 2016 Share #4 Posted May 11, 2016 The joystick button is a momentary press only, it does not "lock" the settings. You have to hold it while pressing the shutter release if you want it to have priority, otherwise the shutter release will override the now "unlocked" settings. (I find this nearly impossible to do without jiggling the camera, a problem for my motor coordination skills I guess.) If you want the auto focusing action to be replaced by the joystick button without the shutter ever having priority, set the camera to MF mode and the joystick to do AF in MF mode. Then the shooting workflow is tap the joystick to engage AF and lock focus fine tune focus with the focusing ring half-press and hold the shutter release to lock exposure in AE modes frame and focus release the shutter This methodology works well without the complication of having to hold the joystick button while also working the shutter release. It works the same way in fw 2.0 as it did in fw 1.2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profus Posted May 11, 2016 Author Share #5 Posted May 11, 2016 If you want the auto focusing action to be replaced by the joystick button without the shutter ever having priority, set the camera to MF mode and the joystick to do AF in MF mode. Yep, I figured that out, too. But according to instruction manual ( the very part I copied in ) it should also be doable in AF mode. It should be possible to remove all priority from the shutter release, but that is clearly not the case... Anyway, thank you very much for your explanation - it is definitely very useful, even though not really the answer to my particular question Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramarren Posted May 11, 2016 Share #6 Posted May 11, 2016 I think it's just another case where the documentation (written before the release) doesn't quite match the actual behavior. Or it's a bug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgktkr Posted May 12, 2016 Share #7 Posted May 12, 2016 Advertisement (gone after registration) Isn't the only thing lacking in the documentation (i.e. the manual) is that the locking behavior only persists as long as the joystick is pressed? I believe Ramarren mentioned this above. With my SL (FW 2.0), if I engage AFs Mode and AF-L, then pressing the joystick triggers an AF action once when the joystick is pressed. As long as pressure continues to be applied to the joystick, the focus element inside the lens maintains its position even when the camera is pointed to an object farther away and the shutter button is pressed. With my right hand I can maintain pressure on the joystick with my thumb and simultaneously actuate the shutter release with my index finger. If I point the camera at a close object and press the joystick, as before, the AF action focusses on the close object. However, if I remove my thumb from the joystick, point the camera at a far object and half press the shutter button, the AF will refocus on the far object. So, it appears to me that the manual has a slight omission, but otherwise describes the behavior properly and there is not a bug in the firmware concerning the locking behavior. Although I didn't test it out, I assume AE-L is similar. Profus, does this answer your question? dgktkr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profus Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share #8 Posted May 12, 2016 Well...it does...sort of The way I understand manual it should work more or less like I am used to on Nikon cameras. Leica says "...select the locking functions you wish to perform with the joystick ( and therefore not with the shutter release button )". This NOT with the shutter release button part is important. It just doesn't work that way. If I point the camera at a close object and press the joystick, as before, the AF action focusses on the close object. However, if I remove my thumb from the joystick, point the camera at a far object and half press the shutter button, the AF will refocus on the far object. ...and that is exactly the issue. To me this is completely useless. What would be the point of using the camera this way? The whole idea would be to detach shutter release from focus part and then: 1. press joystick once to obtain focus and after that press shutter release button to take picture(s). To take several pictures (e.g static motif ) you would not need to (re)focus for every new image, just press shutter release, the focus is remembered from the first image 2. Keep joystick depressed all the time for continuous focusing and press shutter release whenever you want It is actually possible to use SL like this, but only if one chose MF mode. Not possible in AF mode like described in manual Thank you for your help! Have a nice day Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
profus Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share #9 Posted May 12, 2016 Agree I think it's just another case where the documentation (written before the release) doesn't quite match the actual behavior. Or it's a bug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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