Manolo Laguillo Posted January 12, 2017 Share #321 Posted January 12, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) Yesterday I asked Leica via email about the development of this 30mm PC lens for the S. The answer came in during that very same morning: There won't be a 30mm shift lens for the S. The way to go is the Sinar shift camera + a new back 30/45 developed around the S(007) camera. ¿Lenses to be used? Rodenstock and Schneider, and via an adapter, the S lenses with internal shutter. That's it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest VVJ Posted January 12, 2017 Share #322 Posted January 12, 2017 That is VERY interesting. Source? I wonder if it's just the Fuji (maybe a deal with Fujifilm) or they've realised there's more money in Capture One than camera sales. Gordon http://www.fujirumors.com/phaseone-managment-corrects-fujifilm-gfx-support-not-yet-decided-depends-gfx-market-impact/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 12, 2017 Share #323 Posted January 12, 2017 Neil, just stick with your digital S and SL systems, and Haselblad film camera. You've always been happy with the images. Consider updating in a few years when you think you've got your money's worth out of your existing gear and be happy that you've got exceptionally good equipment. There will always be a new and shiny system around the corner but it won't make your good photography better. 'GAS' doesn't adequately describe gear fetish in your case ;-). Your photographic gear 'arms race' will only ever have one outcome: financial victory for the manufacturers :-( Regards Mark :-) Yes you are right mark.....................I've already got that thought in my mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff S Posted January 12, 2017 Share #324 Posted January 12, 2017 Yes you are right mark.....................I've already got that thought in my mind Like the thought you had 11 days ago (linked above)? Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 12, 2017 Share #325 Posted January 12, 2017 Like the thought you had 11 days ago (linked above)? Jeff Correct Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share #326 Posted January 14, 2017 Another thing with the S is something that no manufacturer saw or predicted. The come back of film. In my industry there are so many either gone back to film or are in the process of it. With no film back to use S lenses, it becomes a far less desirable system than a modular one. It sure is tough to be a camera manufacturer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 14, 2017 Share #327 Posted January 14, 2017 Advertisement (gone after registration) . It sure is tough to be a camera manufacturer! Its even tougher being a roughneck thinking he has endless amounts of money and trying to convince my wife the Leica S system is cheaper than her Nikon D810 ;;;;;;;;; :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share #328 Posted January 14, 2017 Its even tougher being a roughneck thinking he has endless amounts of money and trying to convince my wife the Leica S system is cheaper than her Nikon D810 ;;;;;;;;; :) Well you work bloody hard for your money mate. It's not easy being a photographer in general. Gear is very expensive but expermenting is very much a part of finding your style and then later evolving it and expanding what you do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted January 14, 2017 Share #329 Posted January 14, 2017 Another thing with the S is something that no manufacturer saw or predicted. The come back of film. In my industry there are so many either gone back to film or are in the process of it. With no film back to use S lenses, it becomes a far less desirable system than a modular one. It sure is tough to be a camera manufacturer! Yep, but pretty much no other DMF camera you can buy new today supports film backs as well, Phase and Hassy stopped doing that a few generations ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share #330 Posted January 14, 2017 Yep, but pretty much no other DMF camera you can buy new today supports film backs as well, Phase and Hassy stopped doing that a few generations ago. That isn't true at all. Hasselblad H shoots film, Hasselblad V can use the CFV-50c or any of the V mount Phase One backs. Phase One owners can use older bodies if they want to shoot film. If the film movement continues in the way it is Phase One CAN add a film back to their modular system. Pentax users can use the older Pentax 645 bodies. Contax owners can shoot film and buy up to IQ180 or 250 CMOS. What option does the S owner have? None. You can't even use the lenses on other bodies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
erlingmm Posted January 14, 2017 Share #331 Posted January 14, 2017 That isn't true at all. Hasselblad H shoots film, Hasselblad V can use the CFV-50c or any of the V mount Phase One backs. Phase One owners can use older bodies if they want to shoot film. If the film movement continues in the way it is Phase One CAN add a film back to their modular system. Pentax users can use the older Pentax 645 bodies. Contax owners can shoot film and buy up to IQ180 or 250 CMOS. What option does the S owner have? None. You can't even use the lenses on other bodies. You can use them on the Leica SL with adapter, AF maintained, but a bit slower. Film? Who cares ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted January 14, 2017 Share #332 Posted January 14, 2017 That isn't true at all. Hasselblad H shoots film, Hasselblad V can use the CFV-50c or any of the V mount Phase One backs. Phase One owners can use older bodies if they want to shoot film. If the film movement continues in the way it is Phase One CAN add a film back to their modular system. Pentax users can use the older Pentax 645 bodies. Contax owners can shoot film and buy up to IQ180 or 250 CMOS. What option does the S owner have? None. You can't even use the lenses on other bodies. You said: "With no film back to use S lenses, it becomes a far less desirable system than a modular one." I said: "pretty much no other DMF camera you can buy new today supports film backs as well, Phase and Hassy stopped doing that a few generations ago" DMF cameras - other that the Leica S - that you can buy new today are: Pentax 645z, Hassy H series, Phase one XF. The Pentax 645z is not modular and does not support film backs. Phase XF does not support film backs, you actually need to go back to the pre-DF cameras for that... Only Hassy H does, as far as I know, and I stand corrected about that. Since I said "pretty much no other DMF camera", even if Hassy H does (and, again, I stand corrected about that) what I said is completely true, sorry. Best, Vieri Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share #333 Posted January 14, 2017 You said: "With no film back to use S lenses, it becomes a far less desirable system than a modular one." I said: "pretty much no other DMF camera you can buy new today supports film backs as well, Phase and Hassy stopped doing that a few generations ago" DMF cameras - other that the Leica S - that you can buy new today are: Pentax 645z, Hassy H series, Phase one XF. The Pentax 645z is not modular and does not support film backs. Phase XF does not support film backs, you actually need to go back to the pre-DF cameras for that.. Hassy H LAST GENERATION doesn't, as far a I know. So what I said is completely true, sorry. Best, Vieri Sorry but that isn't true. I shoot film on the H5. All Hasselblad H cameras work with their HM16-32 back, even H6D. You can shoot film on older Pentax 645 bodies, so the body is like a film back. You can shoot film with the Phase One/Mamiya AFD bodies. There is no way to use S lenses on any film body. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share #334 Posted January 14, 2017 You can use them on the Leica SL with adapter, AF maintained, but a bit slower. Film? Who cares ? Lots of people care, a growing amount. There are a lot of people going back to film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vieri Posted January 14, 2017 Share #335 Posted January 14, 2017 Sorry but that isn't true. I shoot film on the H5. All Hasselblad H cameras work with their HM16-32 back, even H6D. You can shoot film on older Pentax 645 bodies, so the body is like a film back. You can shoot film with the Phase One/Mamiya AFD bodies. There is no way to use S lenses on any film body. As I said, I stand corrected about Hassy H (see edited post). Other than that, again you said: "With no film back to use S lenses, it becomes a far less desirable system than a modular one." I said: "pretty much no other DMF camera you can buy new today supports film backs as well, Phase and Hassy stopped doing that a few generations ago". True fact: pretty much no DMF camera you can buy new today support film backs. Only Hassy does. A Pentax film body is not a DMF camera you can buy new today. Old Phase/Mamiya bodies are not DMF bodies you can buy new today. So, I am sorry but what I said is exactly true. Best, Vieri Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul J Posted January 14, 2017 Author Share #336 Posted January 14, 2017 As I said, I stand corrected about Hassy H (see edited post). Other than that, again you said: "With no film back to use S lenses, it becomes a far less desirable system than a modular one." I said: "pretty much no other DMF camera you can buy new today supports film backs as well, Phase and Hassy stopped doing that a few generations ago". True fact: pretty much no DMF camera you can buy new today support film backs. Only Hassy does. A Pentax film body is not a DMF camera you can buy new today. Old Phase/Mamiya bodies are not DMF bodies you can buy new today. So, I am sorry but what I said is exactly true. Best, Vieri But so what? That is purely semantics. Hasselblad V users can shoot both, as can Hasselblad H. Pentax users with all their lenses can shoot film, as can Phase One users just buy having a separate body in their bag. Not an entire other system and they can at least achieve some level of continuity between looks with their lenses - something that is very important for someone who shoots film and digital. There is no way to shoot film with the S lenses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EoinC Posted January 15, 2017 Share #337 Posted January 15, 2017 Paul and Vieri - You are both correct, and are arguing over details: - S cannot shoot film - H can shoot film - Other non-current DMF bodies can shoot film - V MF can shoot digital. If you both take "pretty much no" as meaning "few", you are both in full alignment. As to the point at hand, I am pleased to see the resurgence in MF film, and hope that it will lead film manufacturers into investing in the market. We all have different priorities and value weightings, and they may shift over time. There is no right and wrong. In my case, I'm finding film generally satisfies my requirements much better than digital, but there are also situations where I turn to my digital bodies, where they may provide a better solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3D-D0T Posted January 15, 2017 Share #338 Posted January 15, 2017 Sorry but that isn't true. I shoot film on the H5. All Hasselblad H cameras work with their HM16-32 back, even H6D. You can shoot film on older Pentax 645 bodies, so the body is like a film back. You can shoot film with the Phase One/Mamiya AFD bodies. There is no way to use S lenses on any film body. Serious question: Why are you using film if you already have a $10k+ digital sensor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 15, 2017 Share #339 Posted January 15, 2017 Lots of people care, a growing amount. There are a lot of people going back to film. ME http://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/268214-thinking-only-thinking-about-buying-a-large-format-sinair-x/page-4?do=findComment&comment=3186503 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NEIL-D-WILLIAMS Posted January 15, 2017 Share #340 Posted January 15, 2017 Serious question: Why are you using film if you already have a $10k+ digital sensor? Probably because he enjoys shooting film. And generally the files you get from film are better than what you can get from digital Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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