jonoslack Posted June 2, 2007 Share #1 Posted June 2, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi There In a final bid to destroy all credibitily, I thought I'd post a thread about using jpgs with the M8. I've recommended not using filters (for nature), shooting landscape without a tripod and hacking Aperture to support dng files, so this seemed to be the logical next step. I wonder how many of you have tried the M8 Jpgs? I suppose I must be honest - I don't normally shoot them, although, if Leica would have a rather less compressed jpg it might be more interesting. But it's an excellent practice - there isn't much room for manouvre, you need to get the white balance and the exposure pretty much right. Banging away (nearly 500 shots on a 2 gig card) - and then there is the post processing - just a little contrast or saturation change is all you need - in good outdoor light the colour is excellent (but don't try it indoors with tungsten light in colour!). No fiddling with colour profiles. Of course, you wouldn't take the chance with critical shoots, but why not stick on a single lens, put the camera on jpg: Sharpening: Low Saturation: medium Low Contrast: Normal Seems to do the best job Grab the dog and go out for a walk - here's what I got today: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jonoslack Posted June 2, 2007 Author Share #2 Posted June 2, 2007 Here are a couple more. Like the previous one, there's minimal PP - simply a contrast adjustment and cropping where necessary: Try it - it's fun and educational (of course, you don't have to admit to it!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wparsonsgisnet Posted June 2, 2007 Share #3 Posted June 2, 2007 Jono, great pix. I always shoot both dng and hi-res jpg. Gives me backup and has helped on a couple of occasions. I notice the jpg's are in the 3-6mp range. That's a lot of data, and I agree that the wb is ok a lot of the time. Scare to do without a dng, tho. What's your lens, and please pass the tomatoes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shootist Posted June 2, 2007 Share #4 Posted June 2, 2007 Great shots. Yes I shoot Jpg sometimes. If I'm doing some shots for recording of progress of a job and need to share them with others in my office that day, saves me from having to convert them from DNG to Jpg. And if I only want B&W I'll shoot Jpg. But I fine it a bit to restrictive. There is always that one shot that would be great IF the WB was right. Even though you can fool with it in ACR 4/4.1 it's not the same as having the DNG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bingaloid Posted June 2, 2007 Share #5 Posted June 2, 2007 Am I correct that these are all shot w/o an IR filter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photoskeptic Posted June 2, 2007 Share #6 Posted June 2, 2007 Jono, like I've said before the dedicated bw jpeg's out of the M8 are terrific. Glad to see you doing some in color and going out on a limb (?) over the accepted wisdom. Cheers, John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Mondello Posted June 2, 2007 Share #7 Posted June 2, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Jono, you have a great eye! I did shoot JPGs with the M8 until I shot a few DNG+JPG and looked at them side-by-side and the JPGs just didn't cut it by comparison. Didn't save those though. That said, the M8 JPGs aren't really that bad, or even bad at all really, just not up to what is possible with DNG. Here's one shot JPG followed by one shot DNG -- FWIW (no IR filter on either) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 2, 2007 Author Share #8 Posted June 2, 2007 Jono, great pix. I always shoot both dng and hi-res jpg. Gives me backup and has helped on a couple of occasions. I notice the jpg's are in the 3-6mp range. That's a lot of data, and I agree that the wb is ok a lot of the time. Scare to do without a dng, tho. What's your lens, and please pass the tomatoes. Hi There Bill Mostly taken with the 75 'cron (what a lovely lens). Olympus did 1/2.7 jpgs on the E1, which gave you 3-6mb files for 5mp - I think it's a pity that Leica haven't done this as well. For the exercise, the whole point was not to have the backup (i.e. get it right or NOT!). Glad you like the shots, and thanks for posting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 2, 2007 Author Share #9 Posted June 2, 2007 Great shots. Yes I shoot Jpg sometimes. If I'm doing some shots for recording of progress of a job and need to share them with others in my office that day, saves me from having to convert them from DNG to Jpg. And if I only want B&W I'll shoot Jpg. But I fine it a bit to restrictive. There is always that one shot that would be great IF the WB was right. Even though you can fool with it in ACR 4/4.1 it's not the same as having the DNG. Hi Ed - of course, you're right and I do shoot DNG 90% of the time, but it's good to sail close to the wind - getting it right also matters with DNG files, and the more rescuing you have to do the worse it is. You can change white balance and exposure etc. in Aperture and Lightroom with JPG's as well - it works, but of course you're losing data all the while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 2, 2007 Author Share #10 Posted June 2, 2007 Am I correct that these are all shot w/o an IR filter? Hi There Yes - no filters: Lens recognition and coded lenses. I have to say that the greens are pretty good - certainly. Better than most of the profiles available for raw development; it's a positive sign! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 2, 2007 Author Share #11 Posted June 2, 2007 Jono, like I've said before the dedicated bw jpeg's out of the M8 are terrific. Glad to see you doing some in color and going out on a limb (?) over the accepted wisdom.Cheers, John Hi John It's pathetic really, the minute someone makes a 'rule' I have to break it! Still, I think these are pretty okay, and although I shoot DNG most of the time, it's good to fly by the 'seat of one's pants' occasionally - certainly it's good discipline. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 2, 2007 Author Share #12 Posted June 2, 2007 Jono, you have a great eye! I did shoot JPGs with the M8 until I shot a few DNG+JPG and looked at them side-by-side and the JPGs just didn't cut it by comparison. Didn't save those though. That said, the M8 JPGs aren't really that bad, or even bad at all really, just not up to what is possible with DNG. HI Joe Love that second shot - looks like Southwold. Have you tried again with the latest firmware? As for the filters, you don't have to use them, but you shouldn't own up to it . Of course, I shoot DNG most of the time, but these are simple and good (and they print just fine at 36X24 as well). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted June 2, 2007 Share #13 Posted June 2, 2007 There's actually a jpeg setting on the M8 ???????? Honestly i tried it once , it slowed down the camera and said no thanks. LOL It is a usefull feature for someone. ROTFLMAO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 2, 2007 Author Share #14 Posted June 2, 2007 There's actually a jpeg setting on the M8 ???????? Honestly i tried it once , it slowed down the camera and said no thanks. LOL It is a usefull feature for someone. ROTFLMAO Ouch Hi Guy You're right though, it does slow it down - but for casual shooting - the results are pretty good and it certainly saves time on PP. For work? No, of course not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guy_mancuso Posted June 2, 2007 Share #15 Posted June 2, 2007 I know bad, just a raw pig what can i say. LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinb Posted June 2, 2007 Share #16 Posted June 2, 2007 Very "slide-like" nice shots, but I have to say that the JPEG's in the M8 are by far the worst I've seen. For web use no prob though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 2, 2007 Author Share #17 Posted June 2, 2007 Very "slide-like" nice shots, but I have to say that the JPEG's in the M8 are by far the worst I've seen. For web use no prob though. Hi Martin That was my impression - and they're still too compressed, but have you tried with the latest firmware? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
larry Posted June 2, 2007 Share #18 Posted June 2, 2007 Jono, After the seeing your first post -- and after the ensuing out-of-body experience and the episode of dangerously elevated blood pressure -- I thought, OK I'm a man and can admit that I do that too and it works pretty well. Beautiful shots, by the way! Larry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinb Posted June 2, 2007 Share #19 Posted June 2, 2007 Hi MartinThat was my impression - and they're still too compressed, but have you tried with the latest firmware? Yes, I think I did. The shadow detail is the worst I've seen. Looks really crappy. If the shadow detail was better I think I could shoot some JPEG's to get more B&W film like shots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonoslack Posted June 2, 2007 Author Share #20 Posted June 2, 2007 Yes, I think I did. The shadow detail is the worst I've seen. Looks really crappy. If the shadow detail was better I think I could shoot some JPEG's to get more B&W film like shots. Interesting you should say that. Anders Uschold, in the British Journal of Photography, in his M8 review, said that the dynamic range and colour fidelity on the jpgs on the M8 were better than any of the RAW converters (now then, don't shoot the messenger). I've found that there is a lot of detail in them thar shadows (now you can shoot me). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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