IkarusJohn Posted April 3, 2015 Share #21 Posted April 3, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Not sure why you feel the need to stalk John, Jeff. It's getting a little tiring and is the kind of behaviour that is dragging the forum into the gutter. Very nice of you Ian. I have to confess to being blissfully unaware. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jeff S Posted April 3, 2015 Share #22 Posted April 3, 2015 Not sure why you feel the need to stalk John, Jeff. It's getting a little tiring and is the kind of behaviour that is dragging the forum into the gutter. And referring to fellow members as stalkers is sure to raise standards. I'll leave it to the mods to police the forum, thank you. Jeff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerimager Posted April 4, 2015 Author Share #23 Posted April 4, 2015 I just checked back in, thanks to everyone for their information. I happen to prefer a 0.85 VF, and also want a frame set with just a 50mm frame which are available ala carte. If I understand, I can't order a M-A ala carte, I can only buy it stock and send it back and this would be way to expensive if true. I probably will get an MP. (Chrome, no engraving, with a M7 crank, blue leather, and the 0.85 VF with the 35/135,50, and 90 frames). Well maybe. :>) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted April 4, 2015 Share #24 Posted April 4, 2015 Sounds very cool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tookaphotoof Posted April 5, 2015 Share #25 Posted April 5, 2015 I have chrome MP. I'd like to add an M-A but I love the black paint on an MP. First world problems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted April 5, 2015 Share #26 Posted April 5, 2015 yes, but I have the black ma and think the finish is great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadeyev Posted April 13, 2015 Share #27 Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) Advertisement (gone after registration) .....What I do know is that the M-A isn't simply an M-P without batteries any more than the MP Classic (which I once owned and stupidly sold when smitten by the Monochrom) is just an MP without batteries. Given a straight choice (and I have that choice) I prefer the unmetered camera every time and I doubt it has anything to do with any new camera syndrome. The Classic is indeed a lovely camera, and perhaps it is not very important at all, but I ended up not purchasing it because Leica took the short route in its production: in terms of the (main) body they literally did take the battery holder out of an MP and placed a brass plate over the remaining hole where the battery used to be, and covered it over.....For the extra money paid for a classic, I would have at very least expected a new body shell instead of disemboweling an MP.... Edited April 13, 2015 by tadeyev Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wattsy Posted April 13, 2015 Share #28 Posted April 13, 2015 they literally did take the battery holder out of an MP and placed a brass plate over the remaining hole where the battery used to be, and covered it over.....For the extra money paid for a classic, I would have at very least expected a new body shell instead of disemboweling an MP.... Maybe they did the same with the M-A? Anyone wish to strip the leatherette off to have a look? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tadeyev Posted April 13, 2015 Share #29 Posted April 13, 2015 I am afraid we will have to wait 20 or 30 years for that moment of truth ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madNbad Posted April 13, 2015 Share #30 Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) If marketing thought up a forty five minute video of the T body being made, maybe a five minute clip of a M-A being assembled wouldn't be asking too much. Edited April 13, 2015 by madNbad Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrozenInTime Posted April 13, 2015 Share #31 Posted April 13, 2015 I don't hear anyone complaining the IIf has a blanking plate in place of the IIIf slow speed dial. I wonder what the return to factory upgrade cost from M-A to MP would be Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted April 13, 2015 Share #32 Posted April 13, 2015 Maybe they did the same with the M-A? Anyone wish to strip the leatherette off to have a look? If you live in a town of some size you might have an industrial X-ray shop that could tell you in a few minutes, for a price. Just Kick-start it. s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr237 Posted April 14, 2015 Share #33 Posted April 14, 2015 The M-A seems to have a considerably improved viewfinder, much like the M(240) without the electronic framelines, though. What's your basis for this claim? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted April 14, 2015 Share #34 Posted April 14, 2015 What's your basis for this claim? Comparison between my M cameras - M3, Monochrom, M Edition 60 & M-A 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sblitz Posted April 14, 2015 Share #35 Posted April 14, 2015 M-A view finders is brighter. When I bought the MA I have my M4 and M6 with me in the store and it was very evident (neither had any haze, just brighter). This was, in fact, one of the main reasons why I bought the MA and sold the M4 and M6 to help finance the trade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr237 Posted April 14, 2015 Share #36 Posted April 14, 2015 Comparison between my M cameras - M3, Monochrom, M Edition 60 & M-A But that doesn't help us confirm (or debunk) the claim that the M-A has a different finder than the MP (with the exception of uninterrupted frame lines for 28 and 35). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted April 14, 2015 Share #37 Posted April 14, 2015 But that doesn't help us confirm (or debunk) the claim that the M-A has a different finder than the MP (with the exception of uninterrupted frame lines for 28 and 35). No it doesn't. I'm just sharing my perception. I sold my MP some years ago, so I can't really say more. As I recall, there's nothing wrong with the MP viewfinder. I'm sure the meter is also just fine, for a centre weighted meter. For some, it's very important that the M-A is "just a disabled MP" and M-A owners should just take the battery out of an MP. I'm not sure why this is so important. The MP is $250 more than the M-A, which makes the MP look cheap, or the M-A expensive, but removing the meter and the related electronics, does make the M-A a different camera (to me), and I prefer the viewfinder without the electronic display at the bottom (as there is no electronic info to display). Horses for courses. There's something elemental about a film camera that is completely manual (like the Hasselblad). It may be irrational, but it's like the M Edition 60, with no JPegs, and the Leica T with its stripped back user interface. Perhaps the best thing is to try the camera and see if it makes a difference to you. The user experience is certainly not the same to my eye. The viewfinder does appear brighter, and that may be purely because the electronic display has been removed. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
menos I M6 Posted April 15, 2015 Share #38 Posted April 15, 2015 I just checked back in, thanks to everyone for their information. I happen to prefer a 0.85 VF, and also want a frame set with just a 50mm frame which are available ala carte. If I understand, I can't order a M-A ala carte, I can only buy it stock and send it back and this would be way to expensive if true. I probably will get an MP. (Chrome, no engraving, with a M7 crank, blue leather, and the 0.85 VF with the 35/135,50, and 90 frames). Well maybe. :>) Just contact Leica CS in Wetzlar directly and kindly ask. If it is possible for the good people at Leica to arrange it (think logistics within a production batch), I found them always wanting to accommodate and bend themselves backwards to make little wishes happen. The Classic is indeed a lovely camera, and perhaps it is not very important at all, but I ended up not purchasing it because Leica took the short route in its production: in terms of the (main) body they literally did take the battery holder out of an MP and placed a brass plate over the remaining hole where the battery used to be, and covered it over.....For the extra money paid for a classic, I would have at very least expected a new body shell instead of disemboweling an MP.... To make a new body shell would either have meant an expensive change of the die casting molds for the shell or (should the battery compartment be realized exclusively by machining) by not being able to take standard MP shells off the warehouse and modify them of the small batch of special edition cameras. A brass blind plate is actually a quite properly neat way of realizing the change. Other manufacturers might have taken to hot glue or precut plastic sheet and tape ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
indergaard Posted April 16, 2015 Share #39 Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) M-A view finders is brighter. When I bought the MA I have my M4 and M6 with me in the store and it was very evident (neither had any haze, just brighter). This was, in fact, one of the main reasons why I bought the MA and sold the M4 and M6 to help finance the trade. Well, the M-A uses the exact same viewfinder as the MP, which has had a much brighter viewfinder than the M4 and M6 since it's introduction back in 2002/2003. So if that was a big thing for you, you could have saved a lot of time by looking at an MP in the last 13 years and seen the same improvement compared to your M4 and M6. I just find it weird that people talk about the M-A as it is some revolutionary new film camera, when the same camera, but with a meter, has been available for 13 years already. Edited April 16, 2015 by indergaard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IkarusJohn Posted April 16, 2015 Share #40 Posted April 16, 2015 I just find it weird that people talk about the M-A as it is some revolutionary new film camera, when the same camera, but with a meter, has been available for 13 years already. Who is saying it's revolutionary? It's an updated M3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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