Herr Barnack Posted March 13, 2015 Share #21 Posted March 13, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) Ugh. Very sorry to hear that. Unbelievable how many thefts there are here these days--the consequence of rising inequality. Can't buy in to that one. It's the consequence of endless platoons of people in this world who have no ethics, no morals, no honor and no integrity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CheshireCat Posted March 13, 2015 Share #22 Posted March 13, 2015 Can't buy in to that one. I don't know if that is a direct consequence, but I can assure you that inequality is growing in SF and the entire Bay Area. The middle-class is being replaced, and the real estate market has never seen these insane levels of speculation. It is not uncommon to spend more than 50% of the family income in rental, and families are kicked off properties as rental prices increase (faster than salaries). We don't know for sure, but the "boom" may just be another "bubble". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted March 13, 2015 Share #23 Posted March 13, 2015 Let's be honest, these days "Street Photography" has many more dangers than just an out of focus image.. I doubt HCB would have attempted some of his work had he lived in this time/era.. We all chat about our equipment on this forum, we all tell everyone our general locations and we show our images which easily show locations... We do make it easy for them".. These thugs N thieves do read up on equipment, they know what to look for and at times I have found myself whilst eating out or enjoying a cup of coffee advertising my cameras (looking at my days shots) & iPhone (looking & corresponding).. I do not think there is any one answer too to-days problems.. Maybe, just be more aware of your surroundings, keep your camera on a neck strap and under a jacket when not shooting, considering the current cost of equipment make sure you are fully insured.. Maybe a Registry (like the Stolen Bike Registry) - mark our cameras with a blue light number - It's Been Stolen - Hot Line.. There are already databases for stolen camera equipment.. Maybe we should All register & use them in the event of theft... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 13, 2015 Share #24 Posted March 13, 2015 Let's be honest, these days "Street Photography" has many more dangers than just an out of focus image.. I doubt HCB would have attempted some of his work had he lived in this time/era.. 100% true. We must exercise caution and use common sense these days. In a lot of cities, "civilization" is not so civilized. We all chat about our equipment on this forum, we all tell everyone our general locations and we show our images which easily show locations... I wonder how much potential danger arises from doing that? Do thugs actually come on this forum and look for potential targets? Also - would removing location data from images before posting circumvent that kind of threat? ...we all tell everyone our general locations... I have listed my location as New York City, but I do not live in New York City (sorry, guys - it's all a part of being careful). Perhaps it would be a good precaution if all U.S. forum members listed their location as NYC, or LA. All UK members could be from London. All German members could be from Bonn... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tthorne Posted March 13, 2015 Share #25 Posted March 13, 2015 I carry double insurance. Gear/Liability insurance, and my CCW. Of course the CCW is not much help when traveling abroad. In that case I am more inclined to just hand it over. Although... I have always wondered what would happen if I swung an M by the strap and nailed a would be thief right in head. Considering the build, weight... I bet that would do some decent damage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piblondin Posted March 13, 2015 Share #26 Posted March 13, 2015 Can't buy in to that one. It's the consequence of endless platoons of people in this world who have no ethics, no morals, no honor and no integrity. See Does Inequality Cause Crime? — The Atlantic They are not unrelated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 13, 2015 Share #27 Posted March 13, 2015 Advertisement (gone after registration) See Does Inequality Cause Crime? — The Atlantic They are not unrelated. ...the wider the socioeconomic gap, per Becker's 1968 model, the more gains potential criminals perceive. (Not to mention, the more frustrated poorer criminals will be with society.)... That's true - to a point. It also brings up the following question: Why is there an element of truth in that statement? There are several reasons; they all come back to one basic fact: In today's world, we have endless platoons of people who have no ethics, no morals, no honor and no integrity. I have been in the presence of people who were far and away more financially successful than me; I did not bash them in the head and steal their watches and wallets. There are tens of thousands of people who frequent this forum from many different nations and cultures who can say the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subject Focus Posted March 13, 2015 Share #28 Posted March 13, 2015 It's the consequence of endless platoons of people in this world who have no ethics, no morals, no honor and no integrity. Wholeheartedly agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
semi-ambivalent Posted March 13, 2015 Share #29 Posted March 13, 2015 When I first started shopping for Leica I read that people blotted out the serial numbers on camera images so miscreants would not file false theft reports on those cameras with the police. It didn't take long to realize the worry was that someone might file an honest theft report with the police. I've put my MP out there with a blotted serial number and I was stupid for doing so, because I have the papers. But I do own lenses the past of which I know nothing. It's a very big and vibrant market, the re-sale of photographic equipment. s-a Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manoleica Posted March 13, 2015 Share #30 Posted March 13, 2015 Originally Posted by Carlos Danger View Post It's the consequence of endless platoons of people in this world who have no ethics, no morals, no honor and no integrity. Wholeheartedly agree. +1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobey bilek Posted March 14, 2015 Share #31 Posted March 14, 2015 A decade back I read about radio thefts from cars in NY City. One man , after several thefts/damage removed the radio and put a sign in the window, no radio. Returning to the car, the window was smashed and a note was left that said "get one." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bocaburger Posted March 14, 2015 Share #32 Posted March 14, 2015 The inequality causing crime is that some kids are taught to have respect for the rights of others, and some kids aren't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted March 14, 2015 Share #33 Posted March 14, 2015 I have listed my location as New York City, but I do not live in New York City (sorry, guys - it's all a part of being careful). This does not make much sense, as you can decide not to display your location or be very generic (e.g. "Spain" is not going to help thieves localize you, but will certainly help us understand your posts better if we discuss about lens prices, shooting locations, et cetera). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted March 14, 2015 Share #34 Posted March 14, 2015 The inequality causing crime is that some kids are taught to have respect for the rights of others, and some kids aren't. What we are taught is difficult to remember when one grows up, loses the job, loses the home, and has no money to feed the kids. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
piblondin Posted March 14, 2015 Share #35 Posted March 14, 2015 What we are taught is difficult to remember when one grows up, loses the job, loses the home, and has no money to feed the kids. Agreed. I don't see this as a good vs. evil issue nor do I think we should abdicate all responsibility for society's ills. These are difficult problems that have many causes and effects. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tthorne Posted March 14, 2015 Share #36 Posted March 14, 2015 What we are taught is difficult to remember when one grows up, loses the job, loses the home, and has no money to feed the kids. I agree with this on it's face. Essentially desperate times encourage desperate measures. I think that is based in very fair logic. However, when taking to the sword for desperate measures, one MUST accept that they may also be impaled on the blade. That is one issue I have with todays society. People's actions can always be traced back to one thing or another. I am fine with those "things" as a means to provide an explanation as to the mindset or motive, however I am very uncomfortable with them being used as an excuse. What is a further off-putting phenomenon is when poor choices are made, no matter what the excuse is, and an aggressor is made to pay a very high price for their actions, then somehow we use these excuses as a way to turn them into victims. We have ALL faced hardships, some more than others and some more extreme than others, but ultimately we are all responsible for our own choices and our own actions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodies Posted March 15, 2015 Share #37 Posted March 15, 2015 A funny thing happened to me in Paris. I was with my M taking pictures from the viewing platform at Les Halles construction site. This is a raised platform with information panels round the edge - you climb a few steps then walk round the edge reading and looking. While I was alone there a guy comes up and wanders round the middle of the stage occasionally getting closer to me than is normal. I had a firm grip on my stuff and nothing happened. When I had finished I took a brisk walk to the Apple shop, looked round, bought a cable, then stood in the entrance using their wifi. A motorcycle rider came up to me and asked if I had taken a camera. I said no and he disappeared into the shop. I couldn't make sense of this but later decided that the value of my camera had been noted, my description had been distributed and the courier had confused the description of the victim with the description of the thief. The day before I had been followed by a man down a deserted path alongside a high speed road. When I stopped to check my map he stopped and stared with interest at a blank wall. I decided I was going the wrong way so turned back. He carried on in the original direction. When I got to the corner I looked back and he was once more engrossed in examining the blank wall. I feel less safe in Paris than in London. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Barnack Posted March 15, 2015 Share #38 Posted March 15, 2015 ...When I got to the corner I looked back and he was once more engrossed in examining the blank wall... Macro photographer, perhaps? The rest of your account of the events in Paris are a bit on the weird side. Seems that you were being stalked for some reason. I would have thought that if you were suspected of being a camera thief, the police would have become involved. Or perhaps the guy on the viewing platform at Les Halleswas and the motorcycle rider were both plainclothes policemen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCat Posted March 15, 2015 Share #39 Posted March 15, 2015 What is a further off-putting phenomenon is when poor choices are made, no matter what the excuse is, and an aggressor is made to pay a very high price for their actions, then somehow we use these excuses as a way to turn them into victims. I am not excusing crime. Just inviting everyone to "see" from different perspectives. A good excercise for photographers, and not only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tthorne Posted March 15, 2015 Share #40 Posted March 15, 2015 I am not excusing crime. Just inviting everyone to "see" from different perspectives.A good excercise for photographers, and not only. Just to clarify, I was commenting on the phenomenon and did not mean to imply that you yourself are excusing any crime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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