jackal Posted May 16, 2007 Share #41 Posted May 16, 2007 Advertisement (gone after registration) Do excuse me but this type of thing always bemuses me, why is that picture of NZ proof that the M8 takes good black and white ? its quite a nice shot, nicely framed and some interesting looking clouds and an appealing coastline but its a tiny weeny jepg posted on an internet forum, the picture could have come from a casio point & shoot or any number of other cameras ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted May 16, 2007 Posted May 16, 2007 Hi jackal, Take a look here B+W: M8 vs. Film. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
DaveSee Posted May 16, 2007 Share #42 Posted May 16, 2007 Well Dave, I did work a bit in oil in my younger days. So I do know about brushes. They are important, but they don't determine the quality of the painting. The painter does. The same goes for the photographer. He knows his tools and uses them well – just like the unknown but famous people who painted Altamira and Lascaux. In the past (recent past!) many photographers have worked by rote. They really didn't understand what they were doing, they just followed a mechanical procedure. When they had to change, they became disoriented. And when new tools and materials appeared they condemned them roundly. Film was declared useless; roll film was declared useless; 35 mm photography was a useless German aberration, and immediately after WWII people wrote articles in photo magazines expressing their satisfaction that it would now go away for good. Indeed photography was declared artistically useless, vulgar and despicable; real ART had to be painted in oil. Oh yes, that was those stupid Neanderthalers of the 19th century. Like Delacroix. He wrote in his diary that he found the wealth of useless detail in the newfangled Daguerreotypes physically revolting ... Nowadays we are of course not stupid anymore but clever, and anything we condemn is really useless. The old man from the Age Before Tri-X Hiya Lars, Probably should have used a "smiley" in my post... because I agree that the tool is a means, etc. It's just that good paint brushes are more difficult to find these days, and like lenses and cameras, one cannot just buy on the internet without having some chance to test and hold it. Same for palette knives. Back on topic, and to your point, it would be unwise to simply discount the M8 as capable for rendering B&W images, especially given how much control folks have given over to Phase One, Adobe and other post-processing software products. Whether B&W, or color, the M8 as a digital capture device is too new and untested to discard/discredit... recall all the back-peddling on the camera's capability back in December 2006 after the IR problem was "discovered", and just recently Jono and Sean reporting about benefits of the un-filtered lens Just loaded some B&W in the M4 last night... great to have choices, and the same brush/lens as well! rgds, Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted May 16, 2007 Share #43 Posted May 16, 2007 B&W digital will never be the same as B&W film. Choose which you like best, or use both. For me I enjoy the unique characteristics of B&W film and continue to use it when I have the luxury of time to leisurely do so. Two M8s do the labor, and a wedding client often wouldn't know the difference. But for me, and me alone, it's B&W film over B&W digital ... regardless of which format it may be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mwilliamsphotography Posted May 16, 2007 Share #44 Posted May 16, 2007 Hold the phone ... all the images here are digital ... so it's only fair that a few fim shots get posted. Mind you, web representation of film shots suck compared to when they're printed, but it'll come through okay I think ... color film ain't bad either, I like it better sometimes. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/24204-bw-m8-vs-film/?do=findComment&comment=257290'>More sharing options...
bradreiman Posted May 16, 2007 Share #45 Posted May 16, 2007 Do excuse me but this type of thing always bemuses me, why is that picture of NZ proof that the M8 takes good black and white ? its quite a nice shot, nicely framed and some interesting looking clouds and an appealing coastline but its a tiny weeny jepg posted on an internet forum, the picture could have come from a casio point & shoot or any number of other cameras ? excuse me but if you read my post i said it makes "fantastic prints". i don't need to, and am not trying to, prove anything. and if you think a casio pns has this kind of dynamic range then well-buy one! b Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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