calvados Posted July 30, 2006 Share #1 Posted July 30, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Today, I take 2 pictures by LEICA D VALIO-ELMARIT 14-50mm F2.8-F3.5 ASPH + OLYMPUS E-1. E-1 can’t use Stop-ring of LEICA VALIO-ELMARIT 14-50mm F2.8-F3.5 ASPH. But Mode A, M is no trouble by camera side control. The feeling of take pictures, No stress, quite good! The Scene of Ginza In Tokyo ISO-100, Neutralized by Color Checker Nutral-5, no noise reduction, 18mm, F3.0 Developed by Rawshooter 1.3 My Dinner, of course, I cock this, not raw... ISO-100, Neutralized by Dish :-), no noise reduction, 42mm, F3.4 Developed by OLYMPUS Studio 1.5 Best Regards Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/2401-leica-d-valio-elmarit-14-50mm-f28-f35-asph-olympus-e-1/?do=findComment&comment=21731'>More sharing options...
Advertisement Posted July 30, 2006 Posted July 30, 2006 Hi calvados, Take a look here LEICA D VALIO-ELMARIT 14-50mm F2.8-F3.5 ASPH + OLYMPUS E-1. I'm sure you'll find what you were looking for!
marknorton Posted July 30, 2006 Share #2 Posted July 30, 2006 I think it's much better to post the pictures out of the camera instead of being messed about with. They don't seem to be especially sharp to me, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvados Posted July 30, 2006 Author Share #3 Posted July 30, 2006 I think it's much better to post the pictures out of the camera instead of being messed about with. They don't seem to be especially sharp to me, Sorry, you wish sharp pictures, this pictures not mach for your feeling. Because this lens stop is open. And use auto focus. Therefore sharp area is center only, othere area is Bokeh. I will post sharp pictures. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/2401-leica-d-valio-elmarit-14-50mm-f28-f35-asph-olympus-e-1/?do=findComment&comment=21751'>More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted July 30, 2006 Share #4 Posted July 30, 2006 Mark, I don't think correcting white balance, given the light in these examples, would be considered messing....:-) Kazuo explained the narrow DOF, so look for the focus plane and check the near and far Bokeh, especially in the spectral highlights. For a zoom, this one seems to have a good out of focus gradient. In that area it looks better than the 14-54mm from Oly and that is a nice lens. Kazuo didn't indicate any sharpening level, but if you want sharper, the E-1 images can take a lot of sharpening in various ways. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zanydave Posted July 30, 2006 Share #5 Posted July 30, 2006 They look sharp enough to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 30, 2006 Share #6 Posted July 30, 2006 I think my problem is that it's not good to assess sharpness of images which are resized and compressed for display on the forum - 720 * 960 pixels. The background does not appear as sharp as I would expect given the 18mm/f3.0 lens should render acceptable sharpness from about 8 metres in this sort of shooting situation - look at the characters above and below "ECC". Kazuo, how is this area on the RAW image? What was the shutter speed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted July 31, 2006 Share #7 Posted July 31, 2006 Advertisement (gone after registration) Hi Mark, I got curious and opened the street image up in my photo editor. After brightening it up to see what I was doing, I found that the point of best focus was the guy's shoe in the lower left corner and the stripes on the pavement in the foreground. As you pointed out, I bet it shows up better on the original. Apparently the AF did its usual thing and chose a close target. Let's see if Kazuo confirms. Bob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marknorton Posted July 31, 2006 Share #8 Posted July 31, 2006 Interesting, I think this is a situation where the AF needs help by focussing on the illuminated sign and locking focus before recomposing. The foreground would then turn into a pleasant blur, aided by the motion with the backdrop pin sharp. It would also be interesting to know if the IS was turned on, this must have been quite a slow shutter speed, 1/8 maybe, so either the IS is working or Kazuo has a steady hand. Thinking about the M8, this is the sort of view you'd get through a 28mm Summicron, though any focus error would be strictly down to the user and no IS to help you out. In the second photograph, I like the way the lines on the plate allow you to determine the plane of focus! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvados Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share #9 Posted July 31, 2006 Mark, I don't think correcting white balance, given the light in these examples, would be considered messing....:-) Kazuo explained the narrow DOF, so look for the focus plane and check the near and far Bokeh, especially in the spectral highlights. For a zoom, this one seems to have a good out of focus gradient. In that area it looks better than the 14-54mm from Oly and that is a nice lens. Kazuo didn't indicate any sharpening level, but if you want sharper, the E-1 images can take a lot of sharpening in various ways.Bob Hi Bob Thank you for your adequacies comment. This scene is evening; color temperature is 8800K :-) But your comment is reasonable, center of sign is big and spot light is different color temperature. I made other developed picture, you can find totally natural, but detail is different. These pictures have no sharpening process. These are sample for camera and lens potential. Already you pointed out, raw picture has lot of after processes. Best Regards Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/2401-leica-d-valio-elmarit-14-50mm-f28-f35-asph-olympus-e-1/?do=findComment&comment=22209'>More sharing options...
calvados Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share #10 Posted July 31, 2006 Kazuo, how is this area on the RAW image? What was the shutter speed? Hi Mark. Shutter speed is 1/40 sec with Mega O.I.S. ECC area is following, this area is out of DOF. This picutre is cut from jpeg, not raw. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/2401-leica-d-valio-elmarit-14-50mm-f28-f35-asph-olympus-e-1/?do=findComment&comment=22211'>More sharing options...
calvados Posted July 31, 2006 Author Share #11 Posted July 31, 2006 Hi Mark,Let's see if Kazuo confirms. Bob Hi, I setup original data on my site. You can find followng link. http://www.calvadoshof.com/special2/P7300021-01.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
albertwang Posted July 31, 2006 Share #12 Posted July 31, 2006 I am impressed. the E-1 still delivers on quality of its imagery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
supperman Posted July 31, 2006 Share #13 Posted July 31, 2006 I'm not sure how to assess the camera with such small images, but I am curious to see how well the Leica D-Lux 2 stands up to the E-1 with the Leica D lens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
etanguero Posted July 31, 2006 Share #14 Posted July 31, 2006 Let's hope folks do not (have to) end up with buying the "E1" plus the "L1 including the Leica lens" for using the Leica lens only with the E1. eT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ross Posted July 31, 2006 Share #15 Posted July 31, 2006 I'm not sure how to assess the camera with such small images, but I am curious to see how well the Leica D-Lux 2 stands up to the E-1 with the Leica D lens Well, for some fun you can look at some samples from the Pany LX-2 for a hint at what the D-Lux 3 might do at ?yŽÀŽÊ‘¬•ñ?zƒpƒiƒ\ƒjƒbƒN LUMIX DMC-LX2 Your comparison of cameras with 16X different sensor areas will be very enlightening:rolleyes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
calvados Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share #16 Posted August 1, 2006 Last night, I take new samples. Almost situation is quite dark, focusing of auto focus is not correct, manual focus is difficult. You can find in room is more dark than outside. I always use laser distance meter at this kind situation, but this day I left in my home. May be, sharpness picture lovers not agree those samples, but this kind situation that very difficult situation and good test environment for testing. For example Panasonic LX-1 and almost compact digital camera can’t take normal picture with out flash. The following is pictures data. Not listed information is off. Pic 1, Beer 19mm, ISO100, F3.1, 2.0sec, Noise Reduction is 20/100. Developed by Rowshooter 1.3. Neutralized by Color Checker nurtal4. Pic 2, Jyuri-chan 28mm, ISO100, F3.5, 2.5sec, Noise Reduction is 20/100. Developed by Rowshooter 1.3. Neutralized by Color Checker nurtal4. Pic 3, Syoko-mama 34mm, ISO400, F3.5, 1/2sec, Noise Reduction is 20/100. Developed by Rowshooter 1.3. Neutralized by Camera metering white balance. Pic 4, Yui-chan 30mm, ISO400, F3.5, 1/2sec, Noise Reduction is 20/100. Developed by Rowshooter 1.3. Neutralized by Color Checker nurtal4. Pic 5, Shinjuku batting center 22mm, ISO100, F3.5, 1/4sec, Noise Reduction is 20/100. Developed by Rowshooter 1.3. Color temperature 5300K Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/2401-leica-d-valio-elmarit-14-50mm-f28-f35-asph-olympus-e-1/?do=findComment&comment=22585'>More sharing options...
calvados Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share #17 Posted August 1, 2006 The following is LEICA D-Lux2 samples same environment, I take those pictures at 2006/03/20. I believe that sharpness picture lover’s most good digital gear is compact digital camera, exp LEICA D-Lux2. Because the sensor is small, therefore, all of picture has wide DOF. But, small Sensor has lot of noise and small dynamic range, therefore at dark environment must need flash, same as film camera. If you love picture with flash, this is no problem. But I hate flash, picture is not natural and flat, may be this is depend on policy. Pic 1 6mm, F2.8, 1/3sec, ISO400, with no flash Developed by Rowshooter 1.3, Noise Reduction 20/100, white balance is camera information. Pic 2 13mm, F3.6, 1/30sec ISO100, with flash Developed by Rowshooter 1.3, Noise Reduction 20/100, white balance is camera information. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/2401-leica-d-valio-elmarit-14-50mm-f28-f35-asph-olympus-e-1/?do=findComment&comment=22589'>More sharing options...
supperman Posted August 1, 2006 Share #18 Posted August 1, 2006 I think it's obvious that one of the issues is that you're using such slow shutter speeds that's affecting the pictures. And your RAW developer is not that great; I use the supplied PSE3 and there's little chromatic noise. But I realised a problem with the comparison is that the E1 is a 4:3 camera and at 4:3 ratio, the D-Lux2 is only really 6MP, so 1 MP difference is not going to do much good in compensating for the noisier sensor. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/2401-leica-d-valio-elmarit-14-50mm-f28-f35-asph-olympus-e-1/?do=findComment&comment=22706'>More sharing options...
calvados Posted August 1, 2006 Author Share #19 Posted August 1, 2006 I think it's obvious that one of the issues is that you're using such slow shutter speeds that's affecting the pictures. And your RAW developer is not that great; I use the supplied PSE3 and there's little chromatic noise. But I realised a problem with the comparison is that the E1 is a 4:3 camera and at 4:3 ratio, the D-Lux2 is only really 6MP, so 1 MP difference is not going to do much good in compensating for the noisier sensor. I think it's obvious that easy environment is just easy picture, do not use comparison. The noise of camera is no relationship with RAW developer. Do you know photo diode size of LEICA D-Lux2? It is only 1/25 from E1 and LEICA DMR. The noise of small sensor is just destiny. Not pixel count. Most important point is color depth and linearity, and noise. Small photo diode can't support all of parameters. If you can't understand this real situation, you don’t need DSLR, it is very happy. Currently, I not use LEICA D-Lux2 and Panasonic LX-1. The noise performance is no good than other product. The following is by my LX-1 same as LEICA D-Lux2. This kind of picture is quite easy for small sensor camera, same as your sample. Welcome, dear visitor! As registered member you'd see an image here… Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! Link to post Share on other sites Simply register for free here – We are always happy to welcome new members! ' data-webShareUrl='https://www.l-camera-forum.com/topic/2401-leica-d-valio-elmarit-14-50mm-f28-f35-asph-olympus-e-1/?do=findComment&comment=22916'>More sharing options...
rosuna Posted August 2, 2006 Share #20 Posted August 2, 2006 I would like to see a picture (or pictures) of the E-1 with the Leica lens, and a picture of the L1 with the Zuiko lens. (I mean a picture of the cameras, not pictures taken with the cameras). I think the E-1 would match very well with the big Leica lens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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